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<blockquote data-quote="HoboGod" data-source="post: 5248120" data-attributes="member: 90920">I'm not sure if I need more than mooks and cannon fodder, to be honest, especially evil ones. I dunno, maybe this spell is the spell some people wait anxiously to have, the one that defines the necromancer of their fantasies. I doubt I'll be sold on it, though. The necromancer is what he is at 5th level Cleric in my mind, just upon getting Speak with Dead and Animate Dead.I can see what you guys are driving at here, however. You're saying this spell has the potential to surpass Animate Dead by making the undead follow the necromancer of their own free will, thusly eliminating the HD cap. Logically, one merely needs to make a DC 50 diplomacy check to turn a hostile ghoul into a helpful one. Such a check is frequently obtainable at 11th level with a some combination of Skill Focus [Diplomacy], Negotiator, Choker of Eloquence +10, Synergy bonus, high charisma, max ranks in diplomacy, and a high roll. At which point, the limit of one's undead servents is measured in casting time, spells per day, material components, chance, and the DM's patience. Alas, necromancers in my mind shouldn't be the socialites of the undead world, they should be the antisocial of the human world. I'm gunna go back to my cave where this spell is a terrible waste of a 6th level slot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HoboGod, post: 5248120, member: 90920"] I'm not sure if I need more than mooks and cannon fodder, to be honest, especially evil ones. I dunno, maybe this spell is the spell some people wait anxiously to have, the one that defines the necromancer of their fantasies. I doubt I'll be sold on it, though. The necromancer is what he is at 5th level Cleric in my mind, just upon getting Speak with Dead and Animate Dead. I can see what you guys are driving at here, however. You're saying this spell has the potential to surpass Animate Dead by making the undead follow the necromancer of their own free will, thusly eliminating the HD cap. Logically, one merely needs to make a DC 50 diplomacy check to turn a hostile ghoul into a helpful one. Such a check is frequently obtainable at 11th level with a some combination of Skill Focus [Diplomacy], Negotiator, Choker of Eloquence +10, Synergy bonus, high charisma, max ranks in diplomacy, and a high roll. At which point, the limit of one's undead servents is measured in casting time, spells per day, material components, chance, and the DM's patience. Alas, necromancers in my mind shouldn't be the socialites of the undead world, they should be the antisocial of the human world. I'm gunna go back to my cave where this spell is a terrible waste of a 6th level slot. [/QUOTE]

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