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<blockquote data-quote="BrokeAndDrive" data-source="post: 5248496" data-attributes="member: 89265">So at level 11 you can create a 2 HD, CR 1, +2 to-hit rot-skinned little bugger.Just how the heck is a ghoul going to be useful to someone at level 11?By that level you should be fighting, what, ghaele eladrins?Unless you cut him up, stuff him full of bottles of oil, throw him at somebody, then hit him with a flaming arrow so he becomes a ghoul bomb.&nbsp; But then again, you can do that with Animate Dead's zombie hordes.By level 18... excuse me, a tier 1 level 18 (AKA he could easily stand toe-to-toe with a Celestial Exalted) he can create a morgue... morug.. morgh... whatever.Just how is his +12 slam of 1d6+7 going to do anything but tickle someone with an AC of 33 and 325 hit points?&nbsp; By the way, mature adult gold dragons are immune to paralysis so that's right out.Oh I'm sure there's a lot of non-combat stuff you could do with these poor bastards, or send them to deal with low-level threats.&nbsp; But do you think any DM is going to let you run these guys separately against weaklings?&nbsp; Actually that sounds interesting.If there are ways to use CR 5 mummies against, for example, a CR 13 beholder -- except for &quot;hope the beholder eats it so the beholder gets a bellyache&quot; -- it would be interesting to hear about it....unless you decide to &quot;level them up&quot; somehow so they get more HD (take them adventuring?).&nbsp; Hope you have a patient DM and can hold off the dozens of annoying paladins trying to kick in your front door all the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BrokeAndDrive, post: 5248496, member: 89265"] So at level 11 you can create a 2 HD, CR 1, +2 to-hit rot-skinned little bugger. Just how the heck is a ghoul going to be useful to someone at level 11? By that level you should be fighting, what, ghaele eladrins? Unless you cut him up, stuff him full of bottles of oil, throw him at somebody, then hit him with a flaming arrow so he becomes a ghoul bomb. But then again, you can do that with Animate Dead's zombie hordes. By level 18... excuse me, a [b]tier 1[/b] level 18 (AKA he could easily stand toe-to-toe with a Celestial Exalted) he can create a morgue... morug.. morgh... whatever. Just how is his +12 slam of 1d6+7 going to do anything but tickle someone with an AC of 33 and 325 hit points? By the way, mature adult gold dragons are immune to paralysis so that's right out. Oh I'm sure there's a lot of non-combat stuff you could do with these poor bastards, or send them to deal with low-level threats. But do you think any DM is going to let you run these guys separately against weaklings? Actually that sounds interesting. If there [b]are[/b] ways to use CR 5 mummies against, for example, a CR 13 beholder -- except for "hope the beholder eats it so the beholder gets a bellyache" -- it would be interesting to hear about it. ...unless you decide to "level them up" somehow so they get more HD (take them adventuring?). Hope you have a patient DM and can hold off the dozens of annoying paladins trying to kick in your front door all the time. [/QUOTE]

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