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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Slobber Monster" data-source="post: 2612187" data-attributes="member: 27687">The idea of having the orcs get the drop on the PC's is simply ludicrous. If anything the PC's are likely to be traveling in a manner which would make it impossible for the orcs to avoid being suprised - Wind Walk, Phantom Steed, Shadow Walk, etc. There's no reason for the PC's to encounter the orcs at all if they don't want to, and in any event it will be on the PC's terms.I think captives are about the only way to make this interesting without going to incredibly contrived lengths. At least then the PC's have to exercise some care to resolve the situation without hurting innocents. Start with the orcs very spread out and busy finishing off the Disabled and Dying members of a caravan or something. If the PC's are somehow so clumsy as to fail to suprise the orcs, then they will have a Mexican standoff on their hands, as orcs threaten to Coup de Grace innocents if the PC's do not back off. This should still be easily resolvable for the PC's in any number of ways, but it at least provides them the opportunity to do something neat before the slaughter commences.</blockquote>