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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2614192" data-attributes="member: 3146">Put the orcs and the PCs in a dangerous environment and have the orcs use manuevers like bull rush and trip to use that environment against the PCs. Opposed attribute checks scale but they scale a lot more slowly. A 17th level PC fighter might have +14 to the strength checks, at which point it's still possible for him to lose to a first level orc with +4 (or +8 with a feat).  A character not optimized for strength or dexterity will be a more even fight.Now, the 17th level characters will survive being pushed off 200 foot cliffs or into a flow of lava (even if they end up immersed), but the threat of those kind of environmental effects will make the orcs seem menacing.</blockquote>