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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 4587419" data-attributes="member: 14451"><p>In addition to being a DM for over 25 years, I am also an official judge from the Magic the Gathering game.  I have a tendency now to also view things in the order in which things are done.  I see the game going in order that they appear in the book.  So pick an at-will power first.  There isn’t a list to choose from so the game goes on to the next step.  You chose a bonus feat.  If you chose a non-multiclassing feat the game stops for a second to back track and see if there are any at-will powers to choose from.  There aren’t, so you move on to the next step, picking a bonus skill.</p><p></p><p>In the case of a human taking a multiclass feat, they now have a class to choose an at-will from the next time the game pauses.</p><p></p><p>I don’t feel it takes anything away from the game or other races or classes.   4e is fairly balanced and the addition of an at-will power from an outside class is not broken or abusive.  I feel that humans should have an edge in multiclassing anyway.  Plus, an argument that the paragon multiclassing is the pinnacle of multiclassing achievement is really a joke.  Being able to swap out an at-will power that you know for one from your class is weak.  You really aren’t gaining anything.  Not when normal paragon paths offer an additional power or ability the takes place when you use an action point and you also at 11th level gain a feat like bonus.  Even if you took all the feats to multiclass as paragon why would you give up those two for an at-will.  Some of those abilities are very good.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, in the end it comes down to personal choice for a PC and DM.  Yes it may not be in the RAW but it isn’t abusive.  Personally, I would even entertain the idea of allowing any multiclassing character to freely switch with any at-will power they know as if they were on their base class list and instead of gaining an at-will power as an encounter power I would let the multi classing character pick a class feature from that class.  Who in their right mind would want to multiclass into a ranger role if you never get the benefit of the fighting style class feature?</p><p></p><p>Alright, still open for talking about it.  Any other takers?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 4587419, member: 14451"] In addition to being a DM for over 25 years, I am also an official judge from the Magic the Gathering game. I have a tendency now to also view things in the order in which things are done. I see the game going in order that they appear in the book. So pick an at-will power first. There isn’t a list to choose from so the game goes on to the next step. You chose a bonus feat. If you chose a non-multiclassing feat the game stops for a second to back track and see if there are any at-will powers to choose from. There aren’t, so you move on to the next step, picking a bonus skill. In the case of a human taking a multiclass feat, they now have a class to choose an at-will from the next time the game pauses. I don’t feel it takes anything away from the game or other races or classes. 4e is fairly balanced and the addition of an at-will power from an outside class is not broken or abusive. I feel that humans should have an edge in multiclassing anyway. Plus, an argument that the paragon multiclassing is the pinnacle of multiclassing achievement is really a joke. Being able to swap out an at-will power that you know for one from your class is weak. You really aren’t gaining anything. Not when normal paragon paths offer an additional power or ability the takes place when you use an action point and you also at 11th level gain a feat like bonus. Even if you took all the feats to multiclass as paragon why would you give up those two for an at-will. Some of those abilities are very good. Anyway, in the end it comes down to personal choice for a PC and DM. Yes it may not be in the RAW but it isn’t abusive. Personally, I would even entertain the idea of allowing any multiclassing character to freely switch with any at-will power they know as if they were on their base class list and instead of gaining an at-will power as an encounter power I would let the multi classing character pick a class feature from that class. Who in their right mind would want to multiclass into a ranger role if you never get the benefit of the fighting style class feature? Alright, still open for talking about it. Any other takers? [/QUOTE]
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