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<blockquote data-quote="Viashimo" data-source="post: 2449052" data-attributes="member: 30165">I actually see the opposite to Patryn and the others because a human has a vriety of natural weapons, just we aren't really trained to use then.If you want to get down to it, we have our fists and feet of course - which if you've been in any fight without weapons are the obvious choices to use. A human can also choose the bite or scratch their enemies (depending mainly on the length of their fingernails). None of the these natural attacks are especially effective untrained. Biting and scratching are almost worthless in a D&amp;D combat situation (I just the bit the tentacle of a mindflayer - yay), and untrained the fists and feet do very little effective damage (d3 +str). If you ever seen anybody who does martial arts, their skills can make their attacks very painful, which is a close as you can get to a monk. Since it's some defense mechanisms most humans are born with, why would it not be a natural weapon? It's not like, we at age X said - Hey! Let's make ourselves fists to fight with! That's my little thought on natural weapon.The more pertinent discussion seems to center around effect, I would call the feat and effect. This is because the feats are created as description, prequesites, benefit, and if applicable 'normal'. A benefit is also an effect, it grants something. How does the feat work, it's effect/benefit is that it increases.... the natural attack damage from... to...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Viashimo, post: 2449052, member: 30165"] I actually see the opposite to Patryn and the others because a human has a vriety of natural weapons, just we aren't really trained to use then. If you want to get down to it, we have our fists and feet of course - which if you've been in any fight without weapons are the obvious choices to use. A human can also choose the bite or scratch their enemies (depending mainly on the length of their fingernails). None of the these natural attacks are especially effective untrained. Biting and scratching are almost worthless in a D&D combat situation (I just the bit the tentacle of a mindflayer - yay), and untrained the fists and feet do very little effective damage (d3 +str). If you ever seen anybody who does martial arts, their skills can make their attacks very painful, which is a close as you can get to a monk. Since it's some defense mechanisms most humans are born with, why would it not be a natural weapon? It's not like, we at age X said - Hey! Let's make ourselves fists to fight with! That's my little thought on natural weapon. The more pertinent discussion seems to center around effect, I would call the feat and effect. This is because the feats are created as description, prequesites, benefit, and if applicable 'normal'. A benefit is also an effect, it grants something. How does the feat work, it's [i]effect[/i]/benefit is that it increases.... the natural attack damage from... to... [/QUOTE]

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