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<blockquote data-quote="Vurt" data-source="post: 2471287" data-attributes="member: 1547">I think when most people use something with a similar mechanic as justification for something, they're not really concerned with the descriptive text as to whether it makes sense, but rather that the mechanic itself is balanced.&nbsp; For example, the mechanic of adding an extra attack, but all attacks for the round suffering a -2 penalty is considered &quot;balanced&quot;, seeing as Rapid Shot, Two-weapon Fighting, Flurry of Blows, etc., all use it.&nbsp; So to introduce another feat which does essentially the same thing for some other reason is usually considered OK.I believe the feat in Eberron specifically applies to natural attacks.&nbsp; So if you had a shifter monk with a bite attack, he could up the damage on the bite attack, but not his unarmed strikes.I'm of the personal opinion that the bit in the monk's unarmed strike description being considered either a natural or manufactured weapon is primarily there for spells and powers affecting a target weapon, and not for feats.&nbsp; If you want to up the damage die, get a monk's belt, it's relatively cheap and it does more for you.&nbsp; In my experience, people who want the Improved Natural Attack feat want to benefit from both it AND a monk's belt, since the effects would stack, and I feel that that's just a little too much.But perhaps it would be perfect for your own campaign, who knows best but your DM?Cheers,Vurt</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vurt, post: 2471287, member: 1547"] I think when most people use something with a similar mechanic as justification for something, they're not really concerned with the descriptive text as to whether it makes sense, but rather that the mechanic itself is balanced. For example, the mechanic of adding an extra attack, but all attacks for the round suffering a -2 penalty is considered "balanced", seeing as Rapid Shot, Two-weapon Fighting, Flurry of Blows, etc., all use it. So to introduce another feat which does essentially the same thing for some other reason is usually considered OK. I believe the feat in Eberron specifically applies to natural attacks. So if you had a shifter monk with a bite attack, he could up the damage on the bite attack, but not his unarmed strikes. I'm of the personal opinion that the bit in the monk's unarmed strike description being considered either a natural or manufactured weapon is primarily there for spells and powers affecting a target weapon, and not for feats. If you want to up the damage die, get a [i]monk's belt[/i], it's relatively cheap and it does more for you. In my experience, people who want the Improved Natural Attack feat want to benefit from both it AND a [i]monk's belt[/i], since the effects would stack, and I feel that that's just a little too much. But perhaps it would be perfect for your own campaign, who knows best but your DM? Cheers, Vurt [/QUOTE]

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