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<blockquote data-quote="hazmat" data-source="post: 3645609" data-attributes="member: 4227">Atavar, war horses don't act independantly of their rider so they aren't combatants.&nbsp; Untrained horses also act on the riders turn but it's more difficult to direct them thus requiring a move action whilst in combat.&nbsp; They can't be directed to attack. In both cases the horses are not combatants.&nbsp; Only combatants can be surprised.As for giving the horse a spot check i can see a few different outcomes:warhorse:&nbsp; &nbsp; rider passes, horse fails;both pass: Horse does what it is directed to do.&nbsp; &nbsp; rider fails, horse passes: Horse wait's to be directed.&nbsp; &nbsp; both fail: nothing happensUntrained horse: &nbsp; &nbsp; Rider passes, horse fails; both pass: Rider uses his action to control the horse.&nbsp; &nbsp; rider fails, horse passes:&nbsp; normally nothing happen's.&nbsp; If ya want to be a RBDM then you can make the horse react on the player's initiative and have the player to surpised to control it.&nbsp; I can see this a being a grey area.&nbsp; &nbsp; Both fail: nothing happens.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hazmat, post: 3645609, member: 4227"] Atavar, war horses don't act independantly of their rider so they aren't combatants. Untrained horses also act on the riders turn but it's more difficult to direct them thus requiring a move action whilst in combat. They can't be directed to attack. In both cases the horses are not combatants. Only combatants can be surprised. As for giving the horse a spot check i can see a few different outcomes: warhorse: rider passes, horse fails;both pass: Horse does what it is directed to do. rider fails, horse passes: Horse wait's to be directed. both fail: nothing happens Untrained horse: Rider passes, horse fails; both pass: Rider uses his action to control the horse. rider fails, horse passes: normally nothing happen's. If ya want to be a RBDM then you can make the horse react on the player's initiative and have the player to surpised to control it. I can see this a being a grey area. Both fail: nothing happens. [/QUOTE]

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