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Can a Mount be Surprised When the Rider is Not?
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<blockquote data-quote="pressedcat" data-source="post: 3646856" data-attributes="member: 40736"><p>I'd agree with you that rider aware does not equal mount aware in the surpise round, otherwise the mount is suddenly immune to sneak attack in this situation (which would be particularly unreasonable if the mount happened to be something like a tiger). Both rider and mount should be rolling spot and listen checks.</p><p></p><p>The rules aren't explicit on whether or not the rider could direct the mount to move (though i don't think anyone could support having the mount attack something it was not aware of). Whether or not the mount gets to move at the riders direction in the surprise round is probably more of a judgement call for you as it is not explicitly stated in the book. With an unintelligent mount that is used to being guided by its rider whether it understands the reason or not, it could be argued that in the surprise round the rider can simply command the mount to move as normal (though not charge or attack, as both of these require the mount to be aware of the foe). If you object to this, you could make the pc roll a ride check, but after a few levels this might become an auto pass anyway.</p><p></p><p>End of the day, its not covered in the book and its your call, but the player might feel unfairly penalised if he is the only person mounted and suffering from your restrictions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pressedcat, post: 3646856, member: 40736"] I'd agree with you that rider aware does not equal mount aware in the surpise round, otherwise the mount is suddenly immune to sneak attack in this situation (which would be particularly unreasonable if the mount happened to be something like a tiger). Both rider and mount should be rolling spot and listen checks. The rules aren't explicit on whether or not the rider could direct the mount to move (though i don't think anyone could support having the mount attack something it was not aware of). Whether or not the mount gets to move at the riders direction in the surprise round is probably more of a judgement call for you as it is not explicitly stated in the book. With an unintelligent mount that is used to being guided by its rider whether it understands the reason or not, it could be argued that in the surprise round the rider can simply command the mount to move as normal (though not charge or attack, as both of these require the mount to be aware of the foe). If you object to this, you could make the pc roll a ride check, but after a few levels this might become an auto pass anyway. End of the day, its not covered in the book and its your call, but the player might feel unfairly penalised if he is the only person mounted and suffering from your restrictions. [/QUOTE]
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