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<blockquote data-quote="underfoot" data-source="post: 3646945" data-attributes="member: 53007">The rules state that your mount acts on your initiative.&nbsp; It also states that only non-combat trained mounts are freightened by combat and require a ride check to control.&nbsp; Yes, your mount may take the spot check for the surprise round but it generally doesn't matter unless you have a non-combat trained mount. Example 1a:&nbsp;&nbsp; A combat trained mount makes the spot check but the rider fails.&nbsp; The warhorse will not be freightened (unless invoked by a fear effect) and will wait for direction from his rider.Example 1b:&nbsp; A combat trained mount fails the spot check but the rider makes it.&nbsp; The mount is surprised but still responds and acts on his riders initative (RAW).Example 2a:&nbsp; A non-combat trained mount makes the spot check but the rider fails.&nbsp; If whatever the mount saw would cause it to be freightened, then the rider makes a ride check to control the mount on the riders initative (RAW).&nbsp; If the rider's check fails, then the horse acts like a freightened beast, fleeing from the source or fighting if cornered.&nbsp; Example 2b: A non-combat trained mount fails the spot check but the rider makes it.&nbsp; The mount is surprised but still responds and acts on his riders initative (RAW).&nbsp; If the rider engages in combat then he must control the mount accordingly.Note:&nbsp; The above examples assume the mount is of normal animal intelligence or not able to communicate with its rider.&nbsp; In the case of a mount capable of speach, telepathy,&nbsp; etc.&nbsp; It may react differently if it makes a spot check and his rider did not.Conclusion: 1. Having a combat trained mount gives you a more reliable, easier to control and harder to freighten mount.&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; The RAW states that you use your initative for your mount and it acts on your turn.&nbsp; If your mount is surprised or not it uses your initative.&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; Is it worth your time to roll spot checks for combat trained mounts? No.&nbsp; Is it worth your time to roll spot checks for non-combat trained mounts?&nbsp; Yes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="underfoot, post: 3646945, member: 53007"] The rules state that your mount acts on your initiative. It also states that only non-combat trained mounts are freightened by combat and require a ride check to control. Yes, your mount may take the spot check for the surprise round but it generally doesn't matter unless you have a non-combat trained mount. Example 1a: A combat trained mount makes the spot check but the rider fails. The warhorse will not be freightened (unless invoked by a fear effect) and will wait for direction from his rider. Example 1b: A combat trained mount fails the spot check but the rider makes it. The mount is surprised but still responds and acts on his riders initative (RAW). Example 2a: A non-combat trained mount makes the spot check but the rider fails. If whatever the mount saw would cause it to be freightened, then the rider makes a ride check to control the mount on the riders initative (RAW). If the rider's check fails, then the horse acts like a freightened beast, fleeing from the source or fighting if cornered. Example 2b: A non-combat trained mount fails the spot check but the rider makes it. The mount is surprised but still responds and acts on his riders initative (RAW). If the rider engages in combat then he must control the mount accordingly. Note: The above examples assume the mount is of normal animal intelligence or not able to communicate with its rider. In the case of a mount capable of speach, telepathy, etc. It may react differently if it makes a spot check and his rider did not. Conclusion: 1. Having a combat trained mount gives you a more reliable, easier to control and harder to freighten mount. 2. The RAW states that you use your initative for your mount and it acts on your turn. If your mount is surprised or not it uses your initative. 3. Is it worth your time to roll spot checks for combat trained mounts? No. Is it worth your time to roll spot checks for non-combat trained mounts? Yes. [/QUOTE]

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