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Message: <blockquote data-quote="underfoot" data-source="post: 3648991" data-attributes="member: 53007">I think it comes down to the DM and how much micro managing they want to do.  I, for one, would rather not keep track of a party of 6 players with mounts going up against say a party of 12 worg-mounted goblins.  In order to not bog down the combat, my table rule is that your mount is as much a part of the rider as say, his sword or shield (which exceptions of course).  If you're suprised, you're mount is surprised.  If you are not suprised, you're mount is not suprised.  That is the fair, simple and quick way to go.If, on the other hand, you want to micro manage to that level then Option #2 would fit the rules.  The mount would be flat-footed and unaware of the attack during the surprise round but will still react to commands from his rider.</blockquote>