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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6316233" data-attributes="member: 95493">No one is debating if a Cleric 1 has spontaneous casting. The debate is obviously in whether the Cleric can use spontaneous casting to cast spells out of his class.You should also then include the SRD reference:This seems to say that regardless of how many spells per day they get they have to keep separate lists.* The cleric description would get silly if it constantly had to keep referring to spells per day as "Cleric" spells per day and if every other class had to do the same. It seems by RAW and RAI (as far as I can tell) that it is not legal regardless what the specific wording of "spontaneous casting" says. It can indeed be argued from a balance perspective as well as a general should be or even a alternate phrasing but it doesn't seem like this is the original intent at all - just a quirky effect given the lack of definition, there are all kinds of these effects and indeed Rules Lawyers will always try to exploit them - but the for the average player/DM I don't think they can or should allow this exploitation.... unless argued from the balance perspective aka as a strong and recognized houserule and nothing more.*** Even a multiclass sorcerer-wizard has to keep separate lists and count which spell they are casting is coming from what source. Even if such a character has a spell in their spellbook and can prepare that spell it doesn't allow them to cast it spontaneously as a sorcerer would. I don't see why a swap for spontaneous casting cleric would work any differently.** I actually have few problems with such an argument, but it isn't rules legal as far as I can see. I like this kind of thinking and would probably allow some form of it in my games it came up.</blockquote>

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