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<blockquote data-quote="Takhisis" data-source="post: 5748273" data-attributes="member: 89689">Yeah, but the summoner is still short on options when compaired to the wizard, cleric and other &quot;tier 1&quot; classes. While Oracle, which I have rolled before, is a darn good necromancer, the reason I was looking at the wizard was more due to the fact that it is a necromancer, while also being a tier 1 character with lots of other options. The Oracle, Summoner ect... are good, but very narrowly-focused and for once it would be nice to play a Teir 1 class that is also a good necromancer. I know, cleric, but I VERY MUCH have issues with the high-wis RP(since my RL wis score is not all that great) and as a result tend to not play clerics unless I can casting-stat swap them from wis to cha or int, which requires homebrew or 3rd party materal. Thus, with the changes made to the wizard in pathfinder(command undead for free, two PrCs(Agent of the Grave and Pathfinder Savant.) that can get you desecrate for free.) I was hopeing that there was enough given to them to at least make them competitive with the divine classes in the minion-mastery department of necromancy.So, since my questions have yet to be addressed, I'll ask it again. Can the wizard be a decent minion-master necromancer? Is agent of the grave or pathfinder savant for desecrate required to be a good minion-master necromancer? If I could get some feedback on these questions, that would be nice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Takhisis, post: 5748273, member: 89689"] Yeah, but the summoner is still short on options when compaired to the wizard, cleric and other "tier 1" classes. While Oracle, which I have rolled before, is a darn good necromancer, the reason I was looking at the wizard was more due to the fact that it is a necromancer, while also being a tier 1 character with lots of other options. The Oracle, Summoner ect... are good, but very narrowly-focused and for once it would be nice to play a Teir 1 class that is also a good necromancer. I know, cleric, but I VERY MUCH have issues with the high-wis RP(since my RL wis score is not all that great) and as a result tend to not play clerics unless I can casting-stat swap them from wis to cha or int, which requires homebrew or 3rd party materal. Thus, with the changes made to the wizard in pathfinder(command undead for free, two PrCs(Agent of the Grave and Pathfinder Savant.) that can get you desecrate for free.) I was hopeing that there was enough given to them to at least make them competitive with the divine classes in the minion-mastery department of necromancy. So, since my questions have yet to be addressed, I'll ask it again. Can the wizard be a decent minion-master necromancer? Is agent of the grave or pathfinder savant for desecrate required to be a good minion-master necromancer? If I could get some feedback on these questions, that would be nice. [/QUOTE]

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