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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 752083" data-attributes="member: 1656">It's the only example they give!&nbsp; What can you compare it to!?What bonus damage?&nbsp; The Strength bonus?Of course not.&nbsp; The damage done is 1d6.&nbsp; Empowered, it's 1d6 x 1.5.&nbsp; It has a Str of 19, so you add 4 to that.It's like an Empowered Shillelagh.&nbsp; It does 1d10 x 1.5 damage, and then you add the enhancement bonus and your own Str bonus.&nbsp; The +1 and the +Str in this case aren't random numeric effects, they're constants that modify the random effect.For a Magic Missile, it's not 1d4 damage with a +1 modifier, it's 1d4+1 damage.&nbsp;&nbsp; There's a difference.Same question goes for Mirror Image (+1 image per caster level), Cure Moderate Wounds (+1 hit point per caster level), and Slay Living (+1 damage per caster level on a failed save).I'm inclined to say yes.&nbsp; However, I wouldn't let the bonus hit points of a CMoW go above 10, or the number of figments in a Mirror Image go above 8.No.&nbsp; It's like the Shillelagh example above - you don't multiply your attack roll by 1.5.&nbsp; An attack roll or a Dispel Check is not a random numeric variable of the spell.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 752083, member: 1656"] It's the only example they give! What can you compare it to!? [b][/b] What bonus damage? The Strength bonus? Of course not. The damage done is 1d6. Empowered, it's 1d6 x 1.5. It has a Str of 19, so you add 4 to that. It's like an Empowered Shillelagh. It does 1d10 x 1.5 damage, and then you add the enhancement bonus and your own Str bonus. The +1 and the +Str in this case aren't random numeric effects, they're constants that modify the random effect. For a Magic Missile, it's not 1d4 damage with a +1 modifier, it's 1d4+1 damage. There's a difference. Same question goes for Mirror Image (+1 image per caster level), Cure Moderate Wounds (+1 hit point per caster level), and Slay Living (+1 damage per caster level on a failed save). I'm inclined to say yes. However, I wouldn't let the bonus hit points of a CMoW go above 10, or the number of figments in a Mirror Image go above 8. No. It's like the Shillelagh example above - you don't multiply your attack roll by 1.5. An attack roll or a Dispel Check is not a random numeric variable of the spell. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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