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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 5301128" data-attributes="member: 57112">I really don't get this mentality at all. I suppose 4e casters have fewer interesting options than they did in 3e, but the powers system has definitely "smartened up" a whole slew of classes that, in all previous editions, boiled down to either:"I hit it 'til it's not a problem anymore."OR"I get behind it then hit it 'til it's not a problem anymore."To say nothing of actually making movement relevant (and beneficial!) in combat. Full attack actions were as dumbed down as dumb can get. To say nothing about letting clerics be more than heal-bots. And more interesting monsters for DMs to play.I'll take that kind of tactical improvement across the board over losing spell memorization & buff-scry-port any day of the week. I've been playing since AD&D and I can say with certainty that 4e is the smartest D&D I've played.Getting (more) back on topic, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that 4e really doesn't give a crap about simulationists. It has not once set out to pretend that it was a game for simulationists, and every day that passes it shocks me more and more when simulationists are perplexed when the game allows things they can't wrap their heads around.Part of the other (non-tactical) reason why 4e is the smartest D&D is that it places so much greater impetus on the player to drive the narrative of their character. Players are essentially given the charge of figuring out exactly how their character works within the context of the game world. The books don't have to explain it, the designers don't have to explain it, DM's don't have to explain it. It's all on the player. If you need to know why your new warlord can only ever seem to try to pull a Lead the Attack* roughly once per day, then you're the one who has to figure out the reason why that is (or, if you can, employ the <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra" target="_blank">MST3K Mantra</a>). If you can't figure it out, and that bugs you, then martial classes aren't for you. Simple as pie.*I was going to just say "daily power" but let's be honest with ourselves here</blockquote>

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