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<blockquote data-quote="Nytmare" data-source="post: 5311159" data-attributes="member: 55178">To be fair, the rules have absolutely nothing to do with fights that do not involve player characters.&nbsp; If you want to have a dog and a swarm of anythings get into a fight, the outcomes are dictated by whatever the hell you want the outcomes to be, not by the zoomed in rules and details that govern player character interactions with the world.If you want to insist on having someone's pet schnauzer show up mid PC populated fight, just to show how silly it is to have a little dog to grab a swarm of needlefang drakes, feel free.&nbsp; While you're proving that point, I'd urge you to heap on all the other combat world and battle map inconsistencies you can just to get all the BS out of the way at once.At our table, there's no sense of responsibility for the player to figure out how the &quot;grab&quot; is happening.&nbsp; They usually do, but if they can't there are 4 other people there who are fully capable of patching the hole.&nbsp; Even if that patch is to ignore trying to find a suitable narrative to explain how a guy with a stick &quot;grabs&quot; a million bugs in the middle of an empty field, and instead just have the bugs not freaking move.&nbsp; It's all abstraction, there is no spoon people.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nytmare, post: 5311159, member: 55178"] To be fair, the rules have absolutely nothing to do with fights that do not involve player characters. If you want to have a dog and a swarm of anythings get into a fight, the outcomes are dictated by whatever the hell you want the outcomes to be, not by the zoomed in rules and details that govern player character interactions with the world. If you want to insist on having someone's pet schnauzer show up mid PC populated fight, just to show how silly it is to have a little dog to grab a swarm of needlefang drakes, feel free. While you're proving that point, I'd urge you to heap on all the other combat world and battle map inconsistencies you can just to get all the BS out of the way at once. At our table, there's no sense of responsibility for the player to figure out how the "grab" is happening. They usually do, but if they can't there are 4 other people there who are fully capable of patching the hole. Even if that patch is to ignore trying to find a suitable narrative to explain how a guy with a stick "grabs" a million bugs in the middle of an empty field, and instead just have the bugs not freaking move. It's all abstraction, there is no spoon people. [/QUOTE]

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