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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5311208" data-attributes="member: 51942">The combat chapter rules apply in general to combat - although it would be odd to resolve combat in such detail if it doesn't involve PC's, any combat that is resolved generally uses those rules.  There aren't any others; and monsters get to shift, move, flank etc. just as PC's do.  Of course, literally having "someone's pet schnauzer" show up mid battle just to prove a point would be ridiculous - although not nearly as ridiculous as grabbing a swarm.People do have dogs, and they might well get involved in a fight.  On the other hand, people don't have trans-dimensional reality dysfunctional grabbing abilities, even in epic tier, let alone in heroic.Some of those problems are actually solvable, such as, say, the grabbing rules.We don't need perfection.  We just need to strive for it, and that means fixing the problems we can fix, particularly those that are easy to fix.  It doesn't get much easier to fix than the rules concerning swarms; doing so won't screw pretty much any PC worth mentioning (unless you overuse swarms, that is), particularly if you're helpful and honest upfront about house-rules such as this.  If you feel melee & ranged characters are too weak in your campaign, you can compensate in other ways.You could even remove the general grab and bull-rush rules from the game entirely without serious consequences; due to their poor attack scaling they become meaningless beyond the earliest levels anyhow.  However, I prefer to fix swarms, since that makes more sense and is closer to the root cause here.  Fixing grab and bullrush might be worth another house rule - if that's the kind of thing that matters to your group.</blockquote>

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