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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 5311222" data-attributes="member: 84242">The first part of this quoted section suggests that Swarms don't happen enough for a change in rules to matter much - so why do they occur enough to require a change in rules?Plus you seem to think that grabbing is something only done as part of the "generic grab" which is the type of grab an average jo-bag (or their dog) does, but it also crops up in fighter powers as a common and integral part of a given build type - if the PC is that kind of character he is the type to "be able to" potentially grab a swarm - via arm swinging to suck in insects, constant sweeping up the swarm with his free hand or just spotting the ones that the others seem to be taking a cue from and restraining this handfull of them.Summery:Can you grab a swarm?RAW = Yes.RAI = I think so, considering they made swarms immune to some stuff but left grabbed off this list.Does it make sense?Not in real life but it makes as much sense as a lot of D&D does - i.e. It does if you dress it up right.Does it need changing?IMO, no. It isn't a big enough issue to warrent possibly unbalancing a player's build just to help with a bit of fluff-fitting. Especially as this is an example where Melee power sources can end up getting hosed by excessive use of "But how does that work?" while all other power sources often get a free pass. Thus I am loath to justify this thinking, save where it stops abusive play (which this certainly isn't).YMMV.Beyond this I think we have covered the issue from every angle and it is about time this thread died.</blockquote>

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