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<blockquote data-quote="Phlebas" data-source="post: 3784908" data-attributes="member: 23810">Aren't all those 2 handed weapons so you wouldn't expect a secondary attack anyway?FWIW I think the major rules difference is where a creature has a Single slam attack statted, as opposed to multiple slam attacks (eg LH + RH). The description is that the 'single' slam attack is a combination of punch, kick + flying headbutt rather than a single blow. ie you could make the attack with something in your hand, BUT you couldn't be effectively using it at the same time.If its a single slam then a melee attack replaces that attack If they have multiple attacks statted (eg two claws, four tentacles etc) then the primary weapon + secondary slam makes sense. in the case of a sword-n-boarder with two or more natural slam attacks (which are nominally claw/claw), I'd probably allow it but taking a secondary attack would negate the shield bonus unless it was a tentacle or something that would not interfere with the shield using appendageJMHO, and i'm no rules expert</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Phlebas, post: 3784908, member: 23810"] Aren't all those 2 handed weapons so you wouldn't expect a secondary attack anyway? FWIW I think the major rules difference is where a creature has a Single slam attack statted, as opposed to multiple slam attacks (eg LH + RH). The description is that the 'single' slam attack is a combination of punch, kick + flying headbutt rather than a single blow. ie you could make the attack with something in your hand, BUT you couldn't be effectively using it at the same time. If its a single slam then a melee attack [I]replaces[/I] that attack If they have multiple attacks statted (eg two claws, four tentacles etc) then the primary weapon + secondary slam makes sense. in the case of a sword-n-boarder with two or more natural slam attacks (which are nominally claw/claw), I'd probably allow it but taking a secondary attack would negate the shield bonus unless it was a tentacle or something that would not interfere with the shield using appendage JMHO, and i'm no rules expert [/QUOTE]

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