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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 3787519" data-attributes="member: 23094">You don't agree with the process, or you don't agree with the conclusion?Considering I never offered a conclusion, you must be disagreeing with the process.Hence, &quot;So, step 1 would be to determine how that creature gets its natural weapon attack.&quot;If you decide that you need a hand free in order to perform a slam attack, then you can't slam if your hands are busy. (Dagger in hand = no slam attack with that arm.)If you decide that you need only not attack with a particular limb in order to perform a slam attack, then you can't slam if you used that limb for something else. (Attack with dagger in hand = no slam attack with that arm.)I'd have no issue if a DM said, &quot;In order to use your slam attack, you must have your hand free.&quot;&nbsp; I'd similarly have no issue if a DM said, &quot;In order to use your slam attack, you can't attack with that arm at all otherwise.&quot;&nbsp; I'd similarly have no issue if a DM said, &quot;In order to use your slam attack, you just have to describe it appropriately based on how you're currently fighting.&quot;IMG, I decided that a warforged didn't need any hands free in order to use his or her slam attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 3787519, member: 23094"] You don't agree with the process, or you don't agree with the conclusion? Considering I never offered a conclusion, you must be disagreeing with the process. Hence, "So, step 1 would be to determine how that creature gets its natural weapon attack." If you decide that you need a hand free in order to perform a slam attack, then you can't slam if your hands are busy. (Dagger in hand = no slam attack with that arm.) If you decide that you need only not attack with a particular limb in order to perform a slam attack, then you can't slam if you used that limb for something else. (Attack with dagger in hand = no slam attack with that arm.) I'd have no issue if a DM said, "In order to use your slam attack, you must have your hand free." I'd similarly have no issue if a DM said, "In order to use your slam attack, you can't attack with that arm at all otherwise." I'd similarly have no issue if a DM said, "In order to use your slam attack, you just have to describe it appropriately based on how you're currently fighting." IMG, I decided that a warforged didn't need any hands free in order to use his or her slam attack. [/QUOTE]

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