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<blockquote data-quote="Meeki" data-source="post: 3791683" data-attributes="member: 17257">While this is true the slam rules are a bit vague and all over the place.&nbsp; Since the description of the vampire text does not take into account wearing a shield,&nbsp; like most descriptions of attacks, it is left up to the description of the creature and discretion of the DM to figure out if their slam attack is available.A vampire utilizes its arms to make a slam attack, as is suggested in the natural weapons description and the slam description.&nbsp; Since it is stated that large creatures (and up I assume) with arms and arm like appendages can make a slam attack with each arm, while most creatures only get one, I can only assume that creatures smaller than large with arms and arm like appendages can only make 1 attack that utilizes both arms because it wouldn't make sense to let a large creature make two slam attacks utilizing one arm a piece while a medium size creature only makes one slam attack utilizing one arm.&nbsp; Plus the extra strength damage seems to fit the more than one apendange theme.&nbsp; The real question is can a vampire use the same arm that is weilding a weapon to make a slam attack?&nbsp; I say no, you need both hands, well &quot;arms&quot;.&nbsp; Of course the DM could allow for a vampire to give up the use of his shield to make a slam attack or something to the effect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Meeki, post: 3791683, member: 17257"] While this is true the slam rules are a bit vague and all over the place. Since the description of the vampire text does not take into account wearing a shield, like most descriptions of attacks, it is left up to the description of the creature and discretion of the DM to figure out if their slam attack is available. A vampire utilizes its arms to make a slam attack, as is suggested in the natural weapons description and the slam description. Since it is stated that large creatures (and up I assume) with arms and arm like appendages can make a slam attack with each arm, while most creatures only get one, I can only assume that creatures smaller than large with arms and arm like appendages can only make 1 attack that utilizes both arms because it wouldn't make sense to let a large creature make two slam attacks utilizing one arm a piece while a medium size creature only makes one slam attack utilizing one arm. Plus the extra strength damage seems to fit the more than one apendange theme. The real question is can a vampire use the same arm that is weilding a weapon to make a slam attack? I say no, you need both hands, well "arms". Of course the DM could allow for a vampire to give up the use of his shield to make a slam attack or something to the effect. [/QUOTE]

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