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Can a Wish overcome natural immunities?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 2515119" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>To be honest, I'd probably have to play it by ear in the case of a Limited Wish. I'd probably end up breaking the scenario down into the hows and whys of the immunity before I made my decision. For example:</p><p></p><p>An Iron Golem is immune to Charm Monster for two primary reasons - it's a construct, and thus immune to mind affecting effects, and more importantly, it's non-intelligent. Oh, and it's got the magic immunity thing going for it as well, but we'll ignore it right now for the purpose of example. To charm an Iron Golem, I'd say you needed a full-fledged Wish to do the deed, because you need to work around the fact that there is no mind there to influence, normally. </p><p></p><p>A Nimblewright is also a construct and therefore immune to mind affecting effects like Charm Monster. It it not, however, unintelligent. It has an int score, and thus a mind of some sort. I'd say you could bypass a Nimblewright's immunity to Charm Monster with a Limited Wish. The rule that the spell is bending is less concrete in the case of the Nimblewright than it is in the case of the Iron Golem.</p><p></p><p>Want to make a vampire vulnerable to a poison? Limited Wish. The systems are there, in some form or another, they just don't operate normally. Want to make an animated boulder vulnerable to a poison? Full-blown Wish. It's a rock. You're going to need a much bigger hammer to get that square peg to fit that particular round hole. Fire elemental vulerable to fire? Big Wish. It <u>is</u> Fire. Red Dragon vulerable to fire? Little Wish. It's just a dragon. So on and so forth.</p><p></p><p> I'd probably have it operate on the basis of the target being vulnerable to the <em>next, and only next</em> application of the Widget. I wouldn't base it off of rounds of vulnerability; it would be a single shot, and said vulerability would persist until that shot took place, no matter how long it takes the proverbial shoe to drop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 2515119, member: 4910"] To be honest, I'd probably have to play it by ear in the case of a Limited Wish. I'd probably end up breaking the scenario down into the hows and whys of the immunity before I made my decision. For example: An Iron Golem is immune to Charm Monster for two primary reasons - it's a construct, and thus immune to mind affecting effects, and more importantly, it's non-intelligent. Oh, and it's got the magic immunity thing going for it as well, but we'll ignore it right now for the purpose of example. To charm an Iron Golem, I'd say you needed a full-fledged Wish to do the deed, because you need to work around the fact that there is no mind there to influence, normally. A Nimblewright is also a construct and therefore immune to mind affecting effects like Charm Monster. It it not, however, unintelligent. It has an int score, and thus a mind of some sort. I'd say you could bypass a Nimblewright's immunity to Charm Monster with a Limited Wish. The rule that the spell is bending is less concrete in the case of the Nimblewright than it is in the case of the Iron Golem. Want to make a vampire vulnerable to a poison? Limited Wish. The systems are there, in some form or another, they just don't operate normally. Want to make an animated boulder vulnerable to a poison? Full-blown Wish. It's a rock. You're going to need a much bigger hammer to get that square peg to fit that particular round hole. Fire elemental vulerable to fire? Big Wish. It [u]is[/u] Fire. Red Dragon vulerable to fire? Little Wish. It's just a dragon. So on and so forth. I'd probably have it operate on the basis of the target being vulnerable to the [i]next, and only next[/i] application of the Widget. I wouldn't base it off of rounds of vulnerability; it would be a single shot, and said vulerability would persist until that shot took place, no matter how long it takes the proverbial shoe to drop. [/QUOTE]
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