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Can an AoO provoke an AoO?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ristamar" data-source="post: 263091" data-attributes="member: 1207"><p>That's correct. Simply holding something, regardless of whether it's a weapon or not, doesn't invoke TWF penalties.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No argument there. Ambixeterity is meant to decrease TWF penalties, or be able to rely on either hand as a primary hand (though you still technically always have an offhand when fighting with two-weapons).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, you could, though it'd be rather pointless, unless one of your hands suffered a specific injury.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(NOTE: I have no idea if switching hands is a free action or not. I couldn't find anything in the PHB or SRD that provided an answer.)</p><p></p><p>Yeah, you could. Again, mostly pointless. However, switching back and forth between hands not the same as fighting with two weapons at once.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that would depend on what you mean by alternate hands. If you're referring to your previous example, that's fine. If you mean that he's actually swinging two short swords, one in each hand, then he receives TWF penalties. </p><p></p><p>But yes, if you have QuickDraw, I believe you could do what you just described, though again, it'd rarely, if ever, be useful. It's weird, but legal according to the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe other existing examples beg to differ. Fighting with two repeating crossbows, for example is perfectly legal. So is chucking throwing axes at an enemy from each hand. However, you incur TWF penalties regardless of how many attacks you make with said axes or crossbows -- the only thing that matters, in respect to the TWF penalties, is whether you're attacking with two different hands simultaneously during the course of a round. Of course it's always beneficial to take the extra attack when you can, but you might not always have the opportunity to do so.</p><p></p><p><strong>EDIT:</strong> Having thought about what I posted a little bit, I think I might not be not quite describing what I mean very cleary. Technically, you are really taking the extra attack granted by two-weapon fighting, it's the iterative attacks from BAB that you're forfeiting, so it would actually fit your definition, as well.</p><p></p><p>Quick example: Let's say a 6th level fighter (+6 BAB, Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting) has a hand crossbow in his offhand and a longsword in his primary hand. There is an orc in front of him and one 20' off to the right. He declares that he's hacking at the one in front of him, and shooting the other with his hand crossbow. He downs the one near him with a single swing of his sword and shoots the other with the hand crossbow. He makes the longsword attack at +4 (+6 BAB - 2 due to light offhand weapon). The second possible sword attack is wasted, though it usable, it would weigh in a -1. He makes the crossbow attack at +0 (+6 BAB - 2 due to light offhand weapon, and another -4 since Two-Weapon Fighting benefits don't apply to missile weapons). One could argue that the first attack should be made at -6, but I'm assuming the Two-Weapon Fighting benefits apply to at least the longsword. If someone knows if both weapons have to be melee weapons for the bonuses to apply, please let speak up, but I believe this is correct.</p><p></p><p>Regardless, it really doesn't matter what weapons he's carrying. If he makes an attack with both his primary and offhand weapons in the same round (the offhand attack <em>is</em> the extra attack, the penalties are applied.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ristamar, post: 263091, member: 1207"] That's correct. Simply holding something, regardless of whether it's a weapon or not, doesn't invoke TWF penalties. No argument there. Ambixeterity is meant to decrease TWF penalties, or be able to rely on either hand as a primary hand (though you still technically always have an offhand when fighting with two-weapons). Yes, you could, though it'd be rather pointless, unless one of your hands suffered a specific injury. (NOTE: I have no idea if switching hands is a free action or not. I couldn't find anything in the PHB or SRD that provided an answer.) Yeah, you could. Again, mostly pointless. However, switching back and forth between hands not the same as fighting with two weapons at once. Well, that would depend on what you mean by alternate hands. If you're referring to your previous example, that's fine. If you mean that he's actually swinging two short swords, one in each hand, then he receives TWF penalties. But yes, if you have QuickDraw, I believe you could do what you just described, though again, it'd rarely, if ever, be useful. It's weird, but legal according to the rules. I believe other existing examples beg to differ. Fighting with two repeating crossbows, for example is perfectly legal. So is chucking throwing axes at an enemy from each hand. However, you incur TWF penalties regardless of how many attacks you make with said axes or crossbows -- the only thing that matters, in respect to the TWF penalties, is whether you're attacking with two different hands simultaneously during the course of a round. Of course it's always beneficial to take the extra attack when you can, but you might not always have the opportunity to do so. [b]EDIT:[/b] Having thought about what I posted a little bit, I think I might not be not quite describing what I mean very cleary. Technically, you are really taking the extra attack granted by two-weapon fighting, it's the iterative attacks from BAB that you're forfeiting, so it would actually fit your definition, as well. Quick example: Let's say a 6th level fighter (+6 BAB, Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting) has a hand crossbow in his offhand and a longsword in his primary hand. There is an orc in front of him and one 20' off to the right. He declares that he's hacking at the one in front of him, and shooting the other with his hand crossbow. He downs the one near him with a single swing of his sword and shoots the other with the hand crossbow. He makes the longsword attack at +4 (+6 BAB - 2 due to light offhand weapon). The second possible sword attack is wasted, though it usable, it would weigh in a -1. He makes the crossbow attack at +0 (+6 BAB - 2 due to light offhand weapon, and another -4 since Two-Weapon Fighting benefits don't apply to missile weapons). One could argue that the first attack should be made at -6, but I'm assuming the Two-Weapon Fighting benefits apply to at least the longsword. If someone knows if both weapons have to be melee weapons for the bonuses to apply, please let speak up, but I believe this is correct. Regardless, it really doesn't matter what weapons he's carrying. If he makes an attack with both his primary and offhand weapons in the same round (the offhand attack [i]is[/i] the extra attack, the penalties are applied. [/QUOTE]
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