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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6306915" data-attributes="member: 58197">Agreed. The way I think about it is that when it comes to combat, the fighter rules supreme. It's what they do. But rogues are the masters of exploration, and one of the things you can do while exploring is sneak up on a hapless monster and eviscerate it.And while the October playtest rogue has been nerfed, they can still do respectable damage. Compare a level 5 rogue with a level 5 fighter. Assume each one has 18 in the appropriate combat stat and hits 70% of the time. The fighter is wielding a two-handed sword and has Great Weapon Fighting. The rogue is dual wielding shortswords.Fighter damage per round:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2d6+4 on a hit (70%) and 4 on a miss (30%) = 8.9 damage per attack</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two attacks per round = 17.8 DPR</li> </ul>Rogue damage per round:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1d6+4 on the first attack and 1d6 on the second (70% for each) = 7.7 damage</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If either attack hits, add 2d6 sneak attack damage (91%) = 6.37 damage</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Total = 14.07 DPR</li> </ul>The fighter outperforms the rogue's damage by about 25%. That's a hefty chunk, but not so much as to make the rogue cry in a corner. If the rogue does open the fight with Assassinate, the average damage is 32.8328--when I was calculating earlier, I forgot to consider the off-hand weapon. Given that damage dealt at the start of combat is worth more than damage dealt at the end, and the rogue's array of noncombat abilities which the fighter can't remotely match, I'd say that's plenty good enough to even the scales.(Though now that I look at the numbers, I'm reconsidering the efficacy of the archer rogue... it stings not having that second weapon for backup in case the first one misses. But I'll defer to the judgement of those who've seen them in play.)</blockquote>

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