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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6307311" data-attributes="member: 2525">This type of math is applicable to theoretical averages, but that doesn't dictate results.  If it did, then every sports team with the theoretical averages that were higher than everyone else would win every game and always go on to win the championship and there would be no purpose to playing.  But that's not how life works, and it's also not how this game works.  Averages might say you will roll a 1 and a 20 roughly equal number of times, but if the 1 is spent on a listen door check and the 20 on an attack roll, damage will be higher, for instance.  Because a huge amount of luck comes into this game.Yes, so when you say your experience differs I accept that fully, but when you tell others their experiences are simply not true because theoretically the averages say it shouldn't be, that's when I call you out on it.Wow you really cannot accept the possibility that theoretical averages don't always give those results in play.  Amazing.  Why do we even roll dice, if the d20 always comes up a 10?  Now hear this - it's not mis-remembering, it's not that the fighters (two of them, and then a third that is a ranger) are played poorly, it's that THE ROGUE REALLY HAS DONE MORE DAMAGE. Now if you want to call me a liar, go ahead and call me a liar.  Otherwise, accept the possibility that a game with a massive random element to it might not play out based on the averages, even over a year of time.Given we're only at 4th level, that may well be true, and you should have considered that before accusing me of lying or misremembering or my players being incompetent.  Particularly since every poll we've ever conducted shows people spend most of their time a lower levels.This actually has come up a lot with our party.  The rogue is very good at moving silently.  Last game for instance he snuck  ahead of the party, and then surprised a wyvern, assassinated in the first round with advantage doing HALF the wyvern's total hit points in damage, and then retreated (in that same round) back to the party.  It was the most damage anyone's ever done in the game for us so far - the Fighters and Ranger have never come even close (though the Wizard has).  This sneaking ahead, surprising, and doing massive damage before retreating isn't an aberration - it's part of how the rogue works.</blockquote>

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