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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6307993" data-attributes="member: 2525">You are wrong.  I am a fan of 4e, and played it regularly from day one as well.  Indeed, I was held up sometimes as a poster-child for 4e fandom at EnWorld's sister-board, CircvsMaximvs.  I am of course aware of Page 42, and I did not have your experience with it.  Page 42 is for the DM to adjudicate something and not on the player's character sheets.  In my experience players looked at their cards and decided what to do most turns, and usually didn't think outside those cards unless prodded to do so by the DM.  There were just so many options the players could choose from based on their character sheets that the thought of considering yet more options outside their character sheets far too often didn't occur to them.  Glad your experienced differed, but it was not my experience with 4e.  It's also not the point of my post though. I've never been a basher of any edition of D&D, and nothing I said implied anyone needs to defend 4e in this respect.  I loved 4e, and I think overall it was a great game, and this was not some hidden agenda of mine to trigger defensiveness over 4e in anyone.  I was just explaining a change in our games from 4e to 5e, which reminded me of 1e and 2e and B/X games from long ago.I think it does actively encourage making rules up.  And if you look on this board, on the WOTC boards, on RPG.net, and on TheRPGSite, you will find one very consistent, very common praise of 5e is the very thing I am talking about - that the players and DM feel less contained by the rules and more free to choose options based on their imagination. If that is not your experience playing 5e (and I tried to ask you what your experience was and you got offended, I am not sure why) then I am sorry.  But, I don't think I am alone in saying that.Is it really so offensive that I ask you "Have you played a rogue much with the current playtest rules"? I don't think that's an offensive thing to ask at all. I am noting a change between how the game plays in reality, and what you can easily factor based on math.  It's a fair question to ask a person's experience with the former, when commenting on that very thing.</blockquote>

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