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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6308253" data-attributes="member: 18">Doesn't this argument essentially apply to all editions of D&D, though? That you should, logically, optimally, only improvise if it's better than using your powers?I mean, this is why Thieves and Fighters tended to improvise most in 2E AD&D, because they didn't have any powers, and it was often possible to come up with an improvisation better than an unreliable (due to low THAC0) backstab or even the Fighter's multiple attacks. Whereas a Wizard of about level 7-9+ in 2E (with a high INT) rarely improvised (as in tried something other than casting a spell), because spells were almost always the best option.5E will definitely have this problem, too, if you consider it a problem - unless the DM is willing to make improvised actions into instant takedowns, as you suggest, it's rarely going to be smart to use them.What am I wrong about, specifically? Are you saying that Page 42 applies specifically to Underwater and Mounted Combat?I'm sorry that people an Encounters behaved nastily to you if you didn't play in a hyper-optimized way, but that's outside my control. I have not suggested that Page 42 is optimal. I don't play with a group who only do "optimal" things, and if a player was nasty to another just because the other wasn't "using his AEDU routine", dude, I'd kick him out of my group.EDIT - I should add that any DM worth their salt should recall that Page 42 is "guidelines", not rules - you don't actually have to use those numbers. If you feel they're too low for the optimization-level of the group, you can increase them. If they're too high, well, decrease them. I think your complaint is Encounters-specific, in a sense, because there the DMs can't really change anything.EDIT EDIT - Also, yes, picking a mechanically worse option totally can make you a better roleplayer. A very simple example is if you are playing a character sworn to not use guns in a system where guns are mechanically superior to other weapons - you could, of course, ignore the fact that your character doesn't use guns, and just use them, because they're mechanically superior, but would be terrible RP. Apparently in your book, it would "make you a better roleplayer", by ignoring RP and instead going for mechanical optimization. That's... an unusual viewpoint, no?</blockquote>

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