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<blockquote data-quote="The Hitcher" data-source="post: 6310357" data-attributes="member: 63747"><p>[MENTION=18]Ruin Explorer[/MENTION]: I ... think it's fair to say that we play very different games of D&amp;D. I possibly shouldn't have said anything more about this, because I didn't actually want to read any more enormous maths posts. I'm not going to argue with anything you've said there, because I'm sure it's close enough to accurate, numerically speaking. But honestly the numbers really don't interest me all that much. There's so much more to a character's potential than what is encompassed by the raw numbers. So as long as they're not ludicrously different, then whatever. The stated goal for 5E was to balance the classes by making them equally fun to play, and equally effective across the game as a whole. Those (to me) are a much more interesting goals than numerical equality. Sure, they are subjective to quite a degree, but so are most aspects of RPGs, ultimately. I can see both versions of the archer being viable characters, and both being able to contribute to the party equally in their own ways. But you know, I guess we'll see when the game is actually out (and quite probably still disagree, based on our priorities!).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="The Hitcher, post: 6310357, member: 63747"] [MENTION=18]Ruin Explorer[/MENTION]: I ... think it's fair to say that we play very different games of D&D. I possibly shouldn't have said anything more about this, because I didn't actually want to read any more enormous maths posts. I'm not going to argue with anything you've said there, because I'm sure it's close enough to accurate, numerically speaking. But honestly the numbers really don't interest me all that much. There's so much more to a character's potential than what is encompassed by the raw numbers. So as long as they're not ludicrously different, then whatever. The stated goal for 5E was to balance the classes by making them equally fun to play, and equally effective across the game as a whole. Those (to me) are a much more interesting goals than numerical equality. Sure, they are subjective to quite a degree, but so are most aspects of RPGs, ultimately. I can see both versions of the archer being viable characters, and both being able to contribute to the party equally in their own ways. But you know, I guess we'll see when the game is actually out (and quite probably still disagree, based on our priorities!). [/QUOTE]

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