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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6310363" data-attributes="member: 18">If you stay away from making assertions about the mechanics, there will be no need for math posts. However, if assertions about the mechanics are made, I think it is totally fair to address them. You made a very specific assertion about the mechanics, but fair enough, I won't math this (honestly, it's a lot of work!).This thread is about archers, and within that fairly small sphere, the 5E Fighter is the top dog by a pretty large margin, most of the time, not only more dangerous, but also hugely more versatile at archery because he is not required to be within 30ft, even in ambushes.Two changes could make this pretty different - remove the 30ft restriction on SA for bows (perhaps as part of Archery Master), and make there be some kind of rules for "silent kills" which mechanically advantage the Rogue (rather than relying on DM discretion - which is better for the player if the DM wants the silent kills to happen, but worse if the DM is neutral or against them).I don't disagree, actually - as characters both are fine overall. But if you had a party with both an archer Fighter and an archer Rogue, the latter would probably feel pretty overshadowed when doing archer stuff.</blockquote>