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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 2362970" data-attributes="member: 4275">Sorry you doubt it lol <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Ummm... how is being told you have to follow a general plotline by an editor, because of what is happening in another book anything BUT continuity? You just contradicted yourself.One minute Im pulling all of this "Claremont left because of continuity jive" out of my ass and the next Claremont leaves because the crossovers have put the editors in charge. Here's a heads up- those editors were running the show to MAINTAIN CONTINUITY. Deal with it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Ok, once again here you are missing something big. A couple of things actually.Whedon was not the first guy to try and bring Colossus back. Chuck Austen wanted to add a brick to the X-men and was told no to bringing back Colossus because of (wait for it) continuity.They wanted the Legacy Virus sacrifice to mean something.This is what led to Juggernaut ending up on the team.So while Whedon is clearly a fan of older X-men runs, in my opinion he got a pass another writer could not on the basis of continuity. Well, something you glossed over is, imo, where JMS took his big continuity free card and cashed it in. Gwen having kids by Normal Osborn. That's huge. I just pointed out two big instances where the big names got the ability to swing a major shift in the history of an established team/character. Sounds like its at least a little true <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Right, which is exactly the state of the current Marvel U. Magneto is a drug addict who dies at the end of Morrison's run. No wait- he's alive on Genosha? Huh go figure.Well at least Xorn is still dead?What? He's back at the school?Get that chip off your shoulder dude, it looks heavy. The Ultimate U's continuity gaffs have been no worse than what MArvel had when Stan the man ran the show. In other words, no nothing is perfect. Case in point.Sorry. Wizard magazine (the leading industry mag) has reported that sales of Marvel comics dropped every quarter after Jim Shooter's run as Editor in Chief *until* the changes instituted by Quesada and Bill Jemas.Have the movie properties heating up under Avi Arad's leadership contributed to that? You bet. But the fact that Quesada managed to stop a slide in sales that had been going on for years.Sounds like he deserves part of the credit too. Dude, that chip looks REALLY heavy. Seriously, see a chiropractor. Yes DC has made some great moves lately. However Marvel still controls the majority of the top 100 in Wizard. My point is, No Continuity has clearly not destroyed Marvel and it might be helping. I didnt pull it out of my ass either.Just because you disagree with me doesnt mean I must be making it up.Marvel already has been saved. Jemas, Quesada and Arad pulled the company back from the edge of the abyss. Have they solved all their problems and conquered the world of comics forever? Nope.But Marvel is READABLE again. The books are fun again. I had abandoned ship during the endless crossover hell that Marvel turned into in the 90's. Age of Apocalypse killed it for me. Or maybe that Onslaught thing.I dont have time to read 50 comics a month anymore, and I dont live at the comics shop like I did back in high school. So the current direction of Marvel is great to me. I read Astonishing X-men, Ultimates, Ultimate Spider Man, X-men and Uncanny X-men, and I can enjoy the stories of Bendis, Millar, Whedon and Claremont without worrying what goes on in the rest of the titles. I also read JLA, Batman, Flash and Teen Titans, so its not about being a marvel-phile. I enjoy good stories and I like my comics fix.Under previous leadership, Marvel stopped providing that. Under Quesada it has begun to once again. Chuck</blockquote>

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