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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 628406" data-attributes="member: 6875">Note entirely true WRT the DMG prestige classes.&nbsp; The Dwarven Defender is basically a &quot;Calm defensive bastion&quot; descriptor for very much a Barbarian-rage like ability, predicated on standing still, in one spot.The Loremaster is a Wizard(Diviner) / Bard cross, by and large.&nbsp; There's not much of anything the Loremaster does, that can't be replicated by multiclassing Wizard and BArd, and taking the right skills and spells.That's just a form of special training open only to members of the Harpers.IOW, being able to CHOOSE that Prestige Class is one of (many) benefits of membership.&nbsp; Other effects of membership are entirely up to the GM, of course.There are in fact -three- Harper-oriented prestige classes; the Harper Scout (FRCS), Harper Mage (MoF), and Harper Priest (MoF again).And I don't have a problem with a Prestige Class being &quot;everything you were before, and this nifty extra trick too&quot; -- since you have to sacrifice a bit to meet the prerequisites, most of the time anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 628406, member: 6875"] Note entirely true WRT the DMG prestige classes. The Dwarven Defender is basically a "Calm defensive bastion" descriptor for very much a Barbarian-rage like ability, predicated on standing still, in one spot. The Loremaster is a Wizard(Diviner) / Bard cross, by and large. There's not much of anything the Loremaster does, that can't be replicated by multiclassing Wizard and BArd, and taking the right skills and spells. That's just a form of special training open only to members of the Harpers. IOW, being able to CHOOSE that Prestige Class is one of (many) benefits of membership. Other effects of membership are entirely up to the GM, of course. There are in fact -three- Harper-oriented prestige classes; the Harper Scout (FRCS), Harper Mage (MoF), and Harper Priest (MoF again). And I don't have a problem with a Prestige Class being "everything you were before, and this nifty extra trick too" -- since you have to sacrifice a bit to meet the prerequisites, most of the time anyway. [/QUOTE]

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