Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Can AoO provoke AoO?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 342131" data-attributes="member: 96"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Can AoO provoke AoO?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If that were true, then reach weapons would be useless. Moving from 10' to 5' would trigger the AoO (by moving out of a threatened square), but since the polearm cannot strike within 5', the AoO could not be taken.</p><p></p><p>AoOs interrupt the action that triggers them, whether that's spellcasting or movement.</p><p></p><p>However, what people seem to be forgetting is that <strong>an AoO does not stop movement</strong>. After the AoO, the opponent finishes his move. So Stand Still and Large and In Charge are still fine:</p><p></p><p><strong>Large and In Charge</strong></p><p>1. Opponent begins movement.</p><p>2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage.</p><p>3. Opponent finishes movement.</p><p>4. Opponent is moved back to the square they started from.</p><p></p><p><strong>Stand Still</strong></p><p>1. Opponent decides to move (but does not move yet).</p><p>2. Stand Still user goes <strong>before</strong> movement (because of Feat wording).</p><p>3. Opponent unable to move.</p><p></p><p>In the case of the threatening Peerless Archer, it would go like this:</p><p>1. Opponent begins movement.</p><p>2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage.</p><p>3. Opponent finishes movement.</p><p></p><p>But is this the same as Combat Archery - not provoking AoOs for firing a bow in melee combat? Definitely Not. Consider these situations:</p><p></p><p>. C . . | . . . . | . . . .</p><p>. . . . | . . . . | . . . .</p><p>. . B . | . C B . | . C . . </p><p>. A . . | . A . . | . A . . </p><p>. . . . | . . . . | . . B .</p><p>----------------------------</p><p>.Fig 1. | .Fig 2. | .Fig 3.</p><p></p><p>Peerless Archer "A" is fighting Barbarian "B" and Cleric "C". B is right next to A, while C is moving in. </p><p></p><p>If A uses his threaten ability to take an AoO on C for his movement, B will get to take an AoO on A because A fired a missile weapon. (C will not get to take an AoO on A, because he was 10' away at the time of the attack.) </p><p></p><p>They wind up in Fig 2.</p><p></p><p>2. Barbarian "B" decides he's had enough and he wants to go past Peerless Archer "A". He's OK moving one square (because the first 5' of movement doesn't provoke an AoO) but when he takes the second 5' of movement, he provokes an AoO from A.</p><p></p><p>If A takes it, he will provoke an AoO from both B and C - because they both threaten him, and he is making a ranged attack. He'd be smarter to let B take another step, and then hit him as he moves out of the threat range altogether - then he only has the AoO from C to deal with. (Remember, each individual 5' of movement inside a threatened area triggers an AoO - you don't always have to take the first one!)</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 342131, member: 96"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Can AoO provoke AoO?[/b] If that were true, then reach weapons would be useless. Moving from 10' to 5' would trigger the AoO (by moving out of a threatened square), but since the polearm cannot strike within 5', the AoO could not be taken. AoOs interrupt the action that triggers them, whether that's spellcasting or movement. However, what people seem to be forgetting is that [b]an AoO does not stop movement[/b]. After the AoO, the opponent finishes his move. So Stand Still and Large and In Charge are still fine: [b]Large and In Charge[/b] 1. Opponent begins movement. 2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage. 3. Opponent finishes movement. 4. Opponent is moved back to the square they started from. [b]Stand Still[/b] 1. Opponent decides to move (but does not move yet). 2. Stand Still user goes [b]before[/b] movement (because of Feat wording). 3. Opponent unable to move. In the case of the threatening Peerless Archer, it would go like this: 1. Opponent begins movement. 2. AoO is triggered (opponent still at 10'), opponent is hit and takes damage. 3. Opponent finishes movement. But is this the same as Combat Archery - not provoking AoOs for firing a bow in melee combat? Definitely Not. Consider these situations: . C . . | . . . . | . . . . . . . . | . . . . | . . . . . . B . | . C B . | . C . . . A . . | . A . . | . A . . . . . . | . . . . | . . B . ---------------------------- .Fig 1. | .Fig 2. | .Fig 3. Peerless Archer "A" is fighting Barbarian "B" and Cleric "C". B is right next to A, while C is moving in. If A uses his threaten ability to take an AoO on C for his movement, B will get to take an AoO on A because A fired a missile weapon. (C will not get to take an AoO on A, because he was 10' away at the time of the attack.) They wind up in Fig 2. 2. Barbarian "B" decides he's had enough and he wants to go past Peerless Archer "A". He's OK moving one square (because the first 5' of movement doesn't provoke an AoO) but when he takes the second 5' of movement, he provokes an AoO from A. If A takes it, he will provoke an AoO from both B and C - because they both threaten him, and he is making a ranged attack. He'd be smarter to let B take another step, and then hit him as he moves out of the threat range altogether - then he only has the AoO from C to deal with. (Remember, each individual 5' of movement inside a threatened area triggers an AoO - you don't always have to take the first one!) J [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Can AoO provoke AoO?
Top