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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4772418" data-attributes="member: 5122">Someone upthread mentioned the basic problem with Charisma ... the player's actual charisma will, during game play, almost always mean more than the character's Charisma.This is also true of Intelligence and Wisdom, but the effect there is mitigated. A high-Intelligence or high-Wisdom character benefits from the &quot;committee effect,&quot; which allows the player(s) to more closely emulate the character's score.&nbsp; The slow pace of game-turns when compared to game-time also helps.&nbsp; Going the other way, I've found that DMs -- including me -- are more apt to notice and shut down someone overplaying his or her character's low Intelligence or Wisdom scores.I try -- but it is difficult, and I fail at it a lot -- to make NPCs react appropriately -- or even exaggeratedly -- to a character with a notable Charisma.&nbsp; If I could improve at that (a lot), that would help, as long as I make it very well known that it's going to occur in the game.&nbsp; (No surprises for players used to relying on their own charisma, rather than their character's.)In game mechanics -- 3.5 -- I have a point-buy system that gives Charisma a break.&nbsp; (In short, 156 points; Strength, Dexterity, and Intelligence cost 2.25 per increment; Constitution and Wisdom cost 2; Charisma costs 1.75.)You could also try doubling -- maybe even tripling -- any Charisma penalty to skills, but that seems like it would have quite a few unforeseen implications.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4772418, member: 5122"] Someone upthread mentioned the basic problem with Charisma ... the player's actual charisma will, during game play, almost always mean more than the character's Charisma. This is also true of Intelligence and Wisdom, but the effect there is mitigated. A high-Intelligence or high-Wisdom character benefits from the "committee effect," which allows the player(s) to more closely emulate the character's score. The slow pace of game-turns when compared to game-time also helps. Going the other way, I've found that DMs -- including me -- are more apt to notice and shut down someone overplaying his or her character's low Intelligence or Wisdom scores. I try -- but it is difficult, and I fail at it a lot -- to make NPCs react appropriately -- or even exaggeratedly -- to a character with a notable Charisma. If I could improve at that (a lot), that would help, as long as I make it very well known that it's going to occur in the game. (No surprises for players used to relying on their own charisma, rather than their character's.) In game mechanics -- 3.5 -- I have a point-buy system that gives Charisma a break. (In short, 156 points; Strength, Dexterity, and Intelligence cost 2.25 per increment; Constitution and Wisdom cost 2; Charisma costs 1.75.) You could also try doubling -- maybe even tripling -- any Charisma penalty to skills, but that seems like it would have quite a few unforeseen implications. [/QUOTE]

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