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<blockquote data-quote="JRRNeiklot" data-source="post: 4773782" data-attributes="member: 717"><p>OD&amp;D got it right.&nbsp; Charisma was originally a stat to enhance or hamper out of combat roleplaying.&nbsp; The 5 charisma fighter might be a great warrior who fights for good, but always says the wrong thing.&nbsp; &quot;Here's your brat, she sure is an ugly bitch.&quot;, he tells the king after rescuing the princess.&nbsp; He can only keep his most loyal henchmen around because he's always pissing people off.&nbsp; Innkeepers are always looking for a way to fleece him out of gold because of his attitude and the way he always seems to say the wrong thing at the worst possible time.&nbsp; On the other end of the spectrum, the 17 charisma guy gets the opposite treatment.&nbsp; Now if you don't care about those sort of things, sure, charisma is a dump stat, but the dm should make you pay for it, just as the 5 strength guy is penalized by barely being able to drag a sword around, even if he's amazing with a longbow.&nbsp; Somewhere we deviated from this method and decided it's wrong to balance combat advantages with non combat disadvantages.&nbsp; The out of combat stuff, FAR outweighs the bonuses to hit or damage or hit points someone who dumps charisma gets, but it requires the dm (and the player) doing his job.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="JRRNeiklot, post: 4773782, member: 717"] OD&D got it right. Charisma was originally a stat to enhance or hamper out of combat roleplaying. The 5 charisma fighter might be a great warrior who fights for good, but always says the wrong thing. "Here's your brat, she sure is an ugly bitch.", he tells the king after rescuing the princess. He can only keep his most loyal henchmen around because he's always pissing people off. Innkeepers are always looking for a way to fleece him out of gold because of his attitude and the way he always seems to say the wrong thing at the worst possible time. On the other end of the spectrum, the 17 charisma guy gets the opposite treatment. Now if you don't care about those sort of things, sure, charisma is a dump stat, but the dm should make you pay for it, just as the 5 strength guy is penalized by barely being able to drag a sword around, even if he's amazing with a longbow. Somewhere we deviated from this method and decided it's wrong to balance combat advantages with non combat disadvantages. The out of combat stuff, FAR outweighs the bonuses to hit or damage or hit points someone who dumps charisma gets, but it requires the dm (and the player) doing his job. [/QUOTE]

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