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Can counter spell be counter spelled?
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<blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 7008777" data-attributes="member: 6857451"><p>It is unique by 5e standards.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is true. If i move less than what is required to get out of your reach, i do not trigger an opportunity attack. If i move less than what is required to enter your reach while you have Polearm Master, i do not trigger your Opportunity attack. Mechanically on a grid this is impossible. In the Theater of Mind it is very possible. It is also, in my opinion, the reason behind the difference in description of the abilities in recent UA.</p><p>Then again, you can't attack something that is not in reach, so the opportunity attack from Polearm Master has to happen after the movement has been made. And the normal one happens before the movement has been made.</p><p></p><p>Counterspell a Counterspell that is targeting your spell happens DURING YOUR OWN casting. It cannot happen BEFORE, since then there would be nothing to Counterspell to begin with. It cannot happen AFTER, since there would be nothing to Counterspell. There's NOTHING ELSE in 5e that works this way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Reactions in general are exceptions to the way things normally work. Shield has effect on the attack that triggers it, but this does not mean that the casting YOU do for shield happens at the same time of something else YOU are doing. I have no problems with that. I can imagine a wizard doing so while moving or fighting. I have problems with imagining a wizard pointing a finger at a point and AT THE SAME TIME raising the middle finger to counter a middle finger raised on the other side of the hall WITH THE SAME HAND.</p><p></p><p>I hope you see how i think this is different and why i find it weird. It's already "unnatural" to think in turns. If now during the same turn, while you are taking an action (lower case) you can take another action that requires the same resources and do so at the same time... no, that's too much for my poor brain <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThePolarBear, post: 7008777, member: 6857451"] It is unique by 5e standards. It is true. If i move less than what is required to get out of your reach, i do not trigger an opportunity attack. If i move less than what is required to enter your reach while you have Polearm Master, i do not trigger your Opportunity attack. Mechanically on a grid this is impossible. In the Theater of Mind it is very possible. It is also, in my opinion, the reason behind the difference in description of the abilities in recent UA. Then again, you can't attack something that is not in reach, so the opportunity attack from Polearm Master has to happen after the movement has been made. And the normal one happens before the movement has been made. Counterspell a Counterspell that is targeting your spell happens DURING YOUR OWN casting. It cannot happen BEFORE, since then there would be nothing to Counterspell to begin with. It cannot happen AFTER, since there would be nothing to Counterspell. There's NOTHING ELSE in 5e that works this way. Reactions in general are exceptions to the way things normally work. Shield has effect on the attack that triggers it, but this does not mean that the casting YOU do for shield happens at the same time of something else YOU are doing. I have no problems with that. I can imagine a wizard doing so while moving or fighting. I have problems with imagining a wizard pointing a finger at a point and AT THE SAME TIME raising the middle finger to counter a middle finger raised on the other side of the hall WITH THE SAME HAND. I hope you see how i think this is different and why i find it weird. It's already "unnatural" to think in turns. If now during the same turn, while you are taking an action (lower case) you can take another action that requires the same resources and do so at the same time... no, that's too much for my poor brain :D [/QUOTE]
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