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Message: <blockquote data-quote="timbannock" data-source="post: 4325009" data-attributes="member: 17913">First off, a comment: I think that -- assuming you're the DM -- you should try to go with what the majority of players want (or some form of compromise erring close to that)...so, if your players mostly want minis, then give them the minis because it'll make them happier, and happier means better gaming.  Same goes the opposite way if that's what they want: no minis...give 'em no minis.And now, some thoughts (none have been playtested for your convenience, but feedback is welcome in case I ever throw away/sell off my little plastic friends):- Don't rule out the idea of a combat map.  No minis, no keeping track of movement every second.  Just have a basic layout of the room and its features set before the players, and keep the positioning in your heads.  Remember that 1 square = 5 feet, and just guestimate how much people are moving around.  You gotta be descriptive though, coz players will argue with you if you're not.- Regardless of maps/minis or lack thereof, you may want to breeze through the lists of powers in the PHB, and just make a few mental notes of ones that deal with a lot of movement.  Then consider the following points:-> Are most of the powers dealing with roughly the same (or a small number of different) "ranges of motion"?  If every power is only a 1 to 3 square push/pull/slide, then it's probably pretty easy to visualize 5 to 15 feet of movement as long as you keep your head on straight and your descriptions decent.  Again, having a map might help a little though.-> If the powers vary widely, try grouping those variations a little, and trim down the list to something manageable.  If 15 powers are 1 square push/pull/slide, 15 are 2 squares, 27 are 3 or 4 squares, 10 are 5 squares, etc.  try wittling them down into 3 categories: "minor push/pull/slide = any power with 1-2 squares", moderate = 3 or 4 squares, and greater = 5+ squares.  Then, either keep this as description, or better yet...-> Try to come up with some kind of alternate "rule" that gives the feel of these movement powers, without requiring you to track movement.  For instance, "every time a creature is pushed, it receives a -1 to all of its defenses until the start of its next turn."  Something like that basically assumes all attacks push a creature in a way that is tactically advantageous, and simulates the creature being off-balance or having its guard dropped temporarily.  Remember to apply this equally to the attacks of the enemies, or else the PCs will become overpowered.Those are just quick thoughts.  While substantial numbers of powers and abilities refer to pushing/pulling/sliding and other movement-related things, you could probably wittle (sp?)  all that down to just a few "categories" of movement, and then come up with some easy modifiers that can take their place.If I recall correctly, this always seemed to be how the old editions worked anyway: any kind of "tactical" anything really just gave a few small + or - to somebody.  +1 to hit for having higher ground; +1 to hit a target on foot when you are mounted; -1 AC when moving through difficult terrain (as opposed to having to lower a movement score or something); blah blah blah.There you go.</blockquote>

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