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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 112726" data-attributes="member: 707">What an interesting thread.&nbsp; I'm not going to argue or offer counterpoints to others' statements, mainly because I don't think this is the sort of thing that can be argued.&nbsp; People have different ideas of heroic, and because of that one DM/player's ideas on how to &quot;fix&quot; the game to provide that feeling probably won't do a thing for someone else.To illustrate this, my own idea of &quot;heroic&quot; seems to be contrary to many here.&nbsp; I don't see dying as heroic.&nbsp; I don't see simply charging in and fighting melee every time (or mostly) as heroic.&nbsp; Myself, I see heroic as being part of a larger whole, as being the hero of the story.&nbsp; As such, I'd hate (if I ever played in them,) games with a high character mortality rate.&nbsp; Creating a character you want to play, to see grow and become powerful, only to have him cut down.&nbsp; Again.&nbsp; And again.&nbsp; Would ruin the game for me.&nbsp; I want to create a single character for a single campaign, and watch that PC grow and develop as a character and as a force in the campaign world.The tactics don't really bother me--in that they don't interfere with the feeling of heroism one way or another.&nbsp; Killing the lich to prevent the undead hordes from eating the village is heroic, whether or not you swarmed the lich or fought it one-on-one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 112726, member: 707"] What an interesting thread. I'm not going to argue or offer counterpoints to others' statements, mainly because I don't think this is the sort of thing that [i]can[/i] be argued. People have different ideas of heroic, and because of that one DM/player's ideas on how to "fix" the game to provide that feeling probably won't do a thing for someone else. To illustrate this, my own idea of "heroic" seems to be contrary to many here. I don't see dying as heroic. I don't see simply charging in and fighting melee every time (or mostly) as heroic. Myself, I see heroic as being part of a larger whole, as being the hero of the story. As such, I'd hate (if I ever played in them,) games with a high character mortality rate. Creating a character you want to play, to see grow and become powerful, only to have him cut down. Again. And again. Would ruin the game for me. I want to create a single character for a single campaign, and watch that PC grow and develop as a character and as a force in the campaign world. The tactics don't really bother me--in that they don't interfere with the feeling of heroism one way or another. Killing the lich to prevent the undead hordes from eating the village is heroic, whether or not you swarmed the lich or fought it one-on-one. :) [/QUOTE]

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