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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5678835" data-attributes="member: 4937">I generally agree with Janx's principles and think he makes a sound argument, and if you want to draw the line there, then that's fine.I just don't happen to agree with the line.  I think the problem is that Janx's golems are now potentially intelligent enough that they are shading into Int 1 space, in as much, as that I would be hard pressed to define under his guidelines much difference between a Int 0 and Int 1 creature and even harder pressed to convey any difference between the two in play.My in game breakdown works something like this:0: Golems and similar automatons, such as lesser undead.  Single celled life.  Possibly simple worms, non-predatory insects, and other living creatures with so simple of a nervous system as to be effectively mindless.1: Ants, most invertebrates, fish, amphibians and reptiles2: Hunting spiders, most mammalian herbivores, most birds, monitor lizards, squids, some sharks3: Cats, elephants, most mammalian carnivores and omnivores, cetaceans, pigs, crows, ravens, octopi, possibly pigeons4: Dogs, dolphins, monkeys, some parrots5: Apes6: Roughly minimum functional human intelligence (below this, probably unable to take care of themselves)7: Minimally functional professional intelligence (below this, probably unable to hold any job)Picking a new path when faced with an obstacles is fairly complicated behavior.  It doesn't have to involve sophisticated reasoning and planning, but it often does.  Quite a few of the Int 1 species would fail such a test.  Eventually, as the Golem's package of algorithms increases is breadth and effectiveness its passes a threshold were you have to accept that however mechanistic it may be, its doing something indistinguishable from thinking.  If it's intelligence allows it to plan more effectively than an Int 1 creature and come up with more effective behavior in reponse to obstacles than an Int 1 creature, then its smarter than an Int 1 creature.  There is no reason to suspect that higher intelligences are anything more that a broader, more adaptable and more efficient package of algorithms.</blockquote>

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