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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 1086455" data-attributes="member: 9002">duh sorryThanks Hong,I did not mean to state that flanking caused dex loss... rather, flanking allowed sneak attack dice to apply.&nbsp; Writing quickly=dumb things often said.&nbsp; Sorry.However the argument made that &quot;In either case, you still cannot get your sneak attack with the bow because it is a ranged weapon. You would have to use the unarmed strike to get it&quot; is balderdash as far as I can tell.Rogue with IUS threatens an area with his feet, body, etc.&nbsp; Threatening is not &quot;stopped&quot; because the rogue has a bow in his/her hand.&nbsp; Maybe an IUS strike would be at -10 to hit, but it does not matter; threatening is threatening.Thus the rogue can flank with a bow in hand via IUS, and when a rogue flanks another creature and attacks it, sneak attack dice apply.&nbsp; EVEN if the attack is made with a ranged weapon (incurring Aoo's).&nbsp; You do NOT need to attack a creature with the same weapon that you use to flank it.&nbsp; This is not stated anywhere in the very clear &quot;threatening&quot; rules.&nbsp; It's not stated in the sneak attack rules either, that you must attack with the flanking weapon.&nbsp; Either you flank or you don't. If you flank, do whach'a like.As far as my reading of the SRD goes, nothing stops a rogue from sucking up an AOO in order to get a free ranged attack via rapid shot.Might not be the best idea in all cases, but I can think of some where it would make sense.It's MUCH easier to visualize if you just make it a rogue using 2 handaxes (one in each hand).The left hand (off hand) threatens the 5' area (is not used for an attack, and thus gives no penalties to the right hand), while the right hand throws axes (using quickdraw and rapid shot) for sneak attack owiee. When facing something that is not very melee-scary, like an enemy wizard, it's a good idea to get a &quot;Free&quot; rapid shot attack for potentially big sneak attack dice and suck up a low-grade aoo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 1086455, member: 9002"] [b]duh sorry[/b] Thanks Hong, I did not mean to state that flanking caused dex loss... rather, flanking allowed sneak attack dice to apply. Writing quickly=dumb things often said. Sorry. However the argument made that "In either case, you still cannot get your sneak attack with the bow because it is a ranged weapon. You would have to use the unarmed strike to get it" is balderdash as far as I can tell. Rogue with IUS threatens an area with his feet, body, etc. Threatening is not "stopped" because the rogue has a bow in his/her hand. Maybe an IUS strike would be at -10 to hit, but it does not matter; threatening is threatening. Thus the rogue can flank with a bow in hand via IUS, and when a rogue flanks another creature and attacks it, sneak attack dice apply. EVEN if the attack is made with a ranged weapon (incurring Aoo's). You do NOT need to attack a creature with the same weapon that you use to flank it. This is not stated anywhere in the very clear "threatening" rules. It's not stated in the sneak attack rules either, that you must attack with the flanking weapon. Either you flank or you don't. If you flank, do whach'a like. As far as my reading of the SRD goes, nothing stops a rogue from sucking up an AOO in order to get a free ranged attack via rapid shot. Might not be the best idea in all cases, but I can think of some where it would make sense. It's MUCH easier to visualize if you just make it a rogue using 2 handaxes (one in each hand). The left hand (off hand) threatens the 5' area (is not used for an attack, and thus gives no penalties to the right hand), while the right hand throws axes (using quickdraw and rapid shot) for sneak attack owiee. When facing something that is not very melee-scary, like an enemy wizard, it's a good idea to get a "Free" rapid shot attack for potentially big sneak attack dice and suck up a low-grade aoo. [/QUOTE]

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