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Can I get a little hand-holding through magic item creation?
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<blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 3571135" data-attributes="member: 12872"><p>Well I kinda assumed that since you said the player wants to create the item that he had the spell on his spell list and could thus cast it.</p><p></p><p>Let's not forget that Stoneskin lasts 10 minutes per level, and this effect lasts one round per level; and after that you lose all the other benefits of the spell! </p><p></p><p>Haste has a duration of 1 round per level, because haste is AWESOME. Stoneskin has a duration of 10 minutes per level because it is less awesome, and it also has a 250 gp material component (although truth be told I'd rather have a 1 min/level duration and no material cost...).</p><p></p><p>3rd level spell x 1st caster level (based on how long it actually lasts) x 2,000 gp use-activated / 0.5 for having 10 charges per day = 12,000 gp. Right on the money.</p><p></p><p>But more importantly...Heart of Earth is really not that good. The only static benefit is +8 vs. a few special attacks. That's fair enough for a 4th-level spell. The temporary HP will go away once lost even though the spell persists. You can't heal them. If you activate stoneskin, you lose your +8. </p><p></p><p>Also keep in mind if the item hasn't been used yet and it requires command word activation, it still takes a standard action to fire it up. This is not free. Make it use-activated and increase the cost to 11.2k if you want.</p><p></p><p>I guess I don't see what the big deal is, or why 10k is too cheap for something that is about half as effective as the same wand, which costs 20k. </p><p></p><p>The hard line on this spell (and thus item) is that for one fight per day, you get stoneskin for 7 rounds. With the wand, you can have stoneskin in every fight for the next 50 fights. Personally, I think Haste is way better than Heart of Earth for a melee character (which is what this sounds like since they are not a caster) and I would always take boots of speed over ring of heart of earth.</p><p></p><p>The price of this same item using the actual stoneskin spell (and having it work like the boots of speed which are awesome and way better than the suggested Heart of Earth item) is 28.5k including the material component cost. So that much for a stoneskin spell that blocks ONE HUNDRED points of damage per day, 10 points per round, and is activated as you need it, not for 7 rounds of one combat where you may or may not wind up needing all of it.</p><p></p><p>If you think the item is so bad, don't allow it. That's about all the more I'm going to say on the subject, aside from the fact that the item is meh at best. </p><p></p><p>It's also worth pointing out that this spell is not core and it's ludicrous to expect it to closely adhere to magic item creation guidelines published in a book released 7 years prior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old Gumphrey, post: 3571135, member: 12872"] Well I kinda assumed that since you said the player wants to create the item that he had the spell on his spell list and could thus cast it. Let's not forget that Stoneskin lasts 10 minutes per level, and this effect lasts one round per level; and after that you lose all the other benefits of the spell! Haste has a duration of 1 round per level, because haste is AWESOME. Stoneskin has a duration of 10 minutes per level because it is less awesome, and it also has a 250 gp material component (although truth be told I'd rather have a 1 min/level duration and no material cost...). 3rd level spell x 1st caster level (based on how long it actually lasts) x 2,000 gp use-activated / 0.5 for having 10 charges per day = 12,000 gp. Right on the money. But more importantly...Heart of Earth is really not that good. The only static benefit is +8 vs. a few special attacks. That's fair enough for a 4th-level spell. The temporary HP will go away once lost even though the spell persists. You can't heal them. If you activate stoneskin, you lose your +8. Also keep in mind if the item hasn't been used yet and it requires command word activation, it still takes a standard action to fire it up. This is not free. Make it use-activated and increase the cost to 11.2k if you want. I guess I don't see what the big deal is, or why 10k is too cheap for something that is about half as effective as the same wand, which costs 20k. The hard line on this spell (and thus item) is that for one fight per day, you get stoneskin for 7 rounds. With the wand, you can have stoneskin in every fight for the next 50 fights. Personally, I think Haste is way better than Heart of Earth for a melee character (which is what this sounds like since they are not a caster) and I would always take boots of speed over ring of heart of earth. The price of this same item using the actual stoneskin spell (and having it work like the boots of speed which are awesome and way better than the suggested Heart of Earth item) is 28.5k including the material component cost. So that much for a stoneskin spell that blocks ONE HUNDRED points of damage per day, 10 points per round, and is activated as you need it, not for 7 rounds of one combat where you may or may not wind up needing all of it. If you think the item is so bad, don't allow it. That's about all the more I'm going to say on the subject, aside from the fact that the item is meh at best. It's also worth pointing out that this spell is not core and it's ludicrous to expect it to closely adhere to magic item creation guidelines published in a book released 7 years prior. [/QUOTE]
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