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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2771890" data-attributes="member: 307">But if you are ignoring them, you are not reacting to anything they do. Once you start reacting in any way, like you do when you are attacked by someone even when you are initiaslly unaware, you are no longer ignoring them. Hence, you cannot ignore an opponent to avoid flanking unless you completely ignore them. And completly ignoring them makes you helpless with respect to the ignored foe.But against those foes there is a level of reaction implied in the attacks. You may not know the attack is coming initially, but you roll with it, react to it, and otherwise deal with it. If you are doing that with respect to an &quot;ignored&quot; opponent, then you are not really ignoring them, and they should get flanking bonuses against you. To ginore them, you have to not let their actions affect your other actions in any way, and that requires you to totally tune them out - making you helpless against them.No, because you are not being threatened by your ally, and may discount the distractions he might cause you in combat. Should he turn on you, then he would get flanking bonuses.No, because you are not entirely tuning out their actions, like you have to do in order to effectively ignore a foe.The rule is punitive. It is meant to be. Nerfing an entire class' primary combat ability should have a huge risk associated with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2771890, member: 307"] But if you are ignoring them, you are not reacting to [i]anything[/i] they do. Once you start reacting [i]in any way[/i], like you do when you are attacked by someone even when you are initiaslly unaware, you are no longer ignoring them. Hence, you cannot ignore an opponent to avoid flanking unless you completely ignore them. And completly ignoring them makes you helpless with respect to the ignored foe. [i][/i] But against those foes there is a level of reaction implied in the attacks. You may not know the attack is coming initially, but you roll with it, react to it, and otherwise deal with it. If you are doing that with respect to an "ignored" opponent, then you are not really ignoring them, and they should get flanking bonuses against you. To ginore them, you have to not let their actions affect your other actions [i]in any way[/i], and that requires you to totally tune them out - making you helpless against them. [i][/i] No, because you are not being threatened by your ally, and may discount the distractions he might cause you in combat. Should he turn on you, then he would get flanking bonuses. [i][/i] No, because you are not entirely tuning out their actions, like you have to do in order to effectively ignore a foe. The rule is punitive. It is meant to be. Nerfing an entire class' primary combat ability should have a huge risk associated with it. [/QUOTE]

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