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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2773435" data-attributes="member: 307">Yes, you do. Otherwise he is enough of a distraction that you are treated as being flanked. I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. If you react to the &quot;ignored&quot; opponent in any way, you are not actually ignoring them sufficiently to avoid them gaining a flanking bonus against you.Yes, there is. Your Dexterity is not reduced to 0 for those attacks for example. If you were completely unable to react to an opponent in any fashion, then it would be. Therefore, you must be reacting in some way to the attack. If you ignore an opponent, then you are not, and intentionally so.Yes, you do have the ability to be treated as helpless, even a moving opponent can be under such a condition under certain circumstances. &quot;A helpless opponent is someone who is bound, sleeping, paralyzed, unconscious, or otherwise at your mercy.&quot; An individual completely ignoring you is almost certainly &quot;otherwise at your mercy&quot;.This is a silly argument, and you know it. People won't ignore the rogues under your proposed rule, because the bonus gained by their other opponents pales in comparison. The entire purpose of the &quot;ignore an opponent&quot; rules is to be able to prevent rogues from being able to flank and get sneak attack damage. Trying to make any other kind of argument is just dishonest.You can ignore and opponent. The level of ignoring them sufficient to avoid being flanked is sufficient to treat you as a helpless opponent with respect to the ignored opponent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2773435, member: 307"] Yes, you do. Otherwise he is enough of a distraction that you are treated as being flanked. I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. If you react to the "ignored" opponent [i]in any way[/i], you are not actually ignoring them sufficiently to avoid them gaining a flanking bonus against you. [i][/i] Yes, there is. Your Dexterity is not reduced to 0 for those attacks for example. If you were completely unable to react to an opponent in any fashion, then it would be. Therefore, you must be reacting [i]in some way[/i] to the attack. If you ignore an opponent, then you are not, and intentionally so. [i][/i] Yes, you do have the ability to be treated as helpless, even a moving opponent can be under such a condition under certain circumstances. "A helpless opponent is someone who is bound, sleeping, paralyzed, unconscious, [b]or otherwise at your mercy[/b]." An individual completely ignoring you is almost certainly "otherwise at your mercy". [i][/i] This is a silly argument, and you know it. People won't ignore the rogues under your proposed rule, because the bonus gained by their other opponents pales in comparison. The entire purpose of the "ignore an opponent" rules is to be able to prevent rogues from being able to flank and get sneak attack damage. Trying to make any other kind of argument is just dishonest. You can ignore and opponent. The level of ignoring them sufficient to avoid being flanked is sufficient to treat you as a helpless opponent with respect to the ignored opponent. [/QUOTE]

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