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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9258272" data-attributes="member: 6877472">That magic actions are problematic with Action Surge is known- while legal in 2014, it seems that they will no longer be legal in 2024, so it can be seen as an exploit.&nbsp; But I'm not so sure that it's problematic to use other kinds of actions.&nbsp; For example, let us suppose a foe has a reaction to turn invisible and become hidden upon being struck.&nbsp; If you have a second attack, you now have to forfeit that attack or find something else to hit.&nbsp; If, however, a Fighter player wished to Action Surge to take a Search Action to try and find their foe to get that second swing in, do you still think that seems to be a bit too much? Or say you get disarmed somehow and want to draw a new weapon- do we say you lose all other attacks if you try to do so?&nbsp; Or are we ok with using the &quot;free&quot; Use an Object but not an Action Surge Use an Object?I just find this odd that the Fighter's Extra Attack is &quot;locked in&quot;, not allowing them to adjust for changing situations in combat, save for exceptions like bonus action attacks, reactions, or movement.Also, to use your own words: Isn't the Fighter's ability to use Action Surge emphasizing their combat style of their class as well?&nbsp; Isn't this the kind of thing expected in their combats?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9258272, member: 6877472"] That magic actions are problematic with Action Surge is known- while legal in 2014, it seems that they will no longer be legal in 2024, so it can be seen as an exploit. But I'm not so sure that it's problematic to use other kinds of actions. For example, let us suppose a foe has a reaction to turn invisible and become hidden upon being struck. If you have a second attack, you now have to forfeit that attack or find something else to hit. If, however, a Fighter player wished to Action Surge to take a Search Action to try and find their foe to get that second swing in, do you still think that seems to be a bit too much? Or say you get disarmed somehow and want to draw a new weapon- do we say you lose all other attacks if you try to do so? Or are we ok with using the "free" Use an Object but not an Action Surge Use an Object? I just find this odd that the Fighter's Extra Attack is "locked in", not allowing them to adjust for changing situations in combat, save for exceptions like bonus action attacks, reactions, or movement. Also, to use your own words: Isn't the Fighter's ability to use Action Surge emphasizing their combat style of their class as well? Isn't this the kind of thing expected in their combats? [/QUOTE]

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