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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4231453" data-attributes="member: 29252">The spell description explicitly says &quot;You can’t use a symbol of death offensively&quot; and gives one example (a sword, set to go off when it strikes someone).All other Symbol spells inherit the mechanics from it.However, you can set up any triggering condition you like - &quot;when something attacks me in a manner that would end the Sor/Wiz 2 invisibility spell&quot; is a technically defensive use that'll come up a lot when you're playing offense.&nbsp; Just don't get attacked in town... you'll be a mass-murderer.You're generally better off with Symbol of Persuasion, though - at level 15 when you can make a Symbol of Death, half the critters will be outright immune due to HP totals, and many critters have a very nice Fort save.&nbsp; Symbol of Persuasion will end fights completely, has no HP limit, doesn't make you a mass-murderer if it accidentally goes off in a town, and is more accessible (as it is a lower-level spell), and it's cheaper to Permenency.&nbsp; Down side: More stuff is immune, lower save (although you can Heighten it, if your party Wizard or Cleric has that feat, to get rid of that issue).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 4231453, member: 29252"] The spell description explicitly says "You can’t use a symbol of death offensively" and gives one example (a sword, set to go off when it strikes someone). All other Symbol spells inherit the mechanics from it. However, you can set up any triggering condition you like - "when something attacks me in a manner that would end the Sor/Wiz 2 invisibility spell" is a technically defensive use that'll come up a lot when you're playing offense. Just don't get attacked in town... you'll be a mass-murderer. You're generally better off with Symbol of Persuasion, though - at level 15 when you can make a Symbol of Death, half the critters will be outright immune due to HP totals, and many critters have a very nice Fort save. Symbol of Persuasion will end fights completely, has no HP limit, doesn't make you a mass-murderer if it accidentally goes off in a town, and is more accessible (as it is a lower-level spell), and it's cheaper to Permenency. Down side: More stuff is immune, lower save (although you can Heighten it, if your party Wizard or Cleric has that feat, to get rid of that issue). [/QUOTE]

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