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Can illusions be used to provide a flanking bonus?
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<blockquote data-quote="sullivan" data-source="post: 2078091" data-attributes="member: 28152"><p>Roughly, yes it's sensing, or can be treated as sensing. Even if you don't get it by the attack your AC is affected. Saying you didn't sense anything is similar to saying you weren't wearing armor or didn't have a deflection bonus unless you got hit. There are other ways to interpret the source of the Blind-fight feat benefits, but this works fine and solves the issue you are raising.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So what of PCs, are they limited to one square? That's not a solution, that's a starting point, a starting point you didn't follow out from very well (much as Skip didn't when he used the word "see"). You are missing a MUCH longer list of items than your relatively limited occurance example you lauded. For example:</p><p>Which squares do the images reside in. Random? If not random, what are the rules?</p><p>What happens if all the square around the Mirrored character are occupied?</p><p>What of the significantly increased power of the spell this creates regarding AoE spells/powers when the images are spread over multiple square?</p><p>The increased power it has over blocking movement by threat of AoO?</p><p>Are others allowed to move into a square occupied by only illusionary replicas? If so then what happens? If not, why not?</p><p> </p><p>EDIT: Ooo, I should have also included flanking created by the figments that are not in the square. We have determined that by RAW illusions can create flanks. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Well at least phatasm illusions can, and by extension flanks can be created by the defender's state of mind. What we are discussing right now whether flanks can be negated by the defenders state of mind.</p><p> </p><p>That's for starters. You have gone to a very bad place, a place occupied by facing rules and incorporating distances between 5' and 0'. Trying to unabstract the D&D combat grid.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sullivan, post: 2078091, member: 28152"] Roughly, yes it's sensing, or can be treated as sensing. Even if you don't get it by the attack your AC is affected. Saying you didn't sense anything is similar to saying you weren't wearing armor or didn't have a deflection bonus unless you got hit. There are other ways to interpret the source of the Blind-fight feat benefits, but this works fine and solves the issue you are raising. So what of PCs, are they limited to one square? That's not a solution, that's a starting point, a starting point you didn't follow out from very well (much as Skip didn't when he used the word "see"). You are missing a MUCH longer list of items than your relatively limited occurance example you lauded. For example: Which squares do the images reside in. Random? If not random, what are the rules? What happens if all the square around the Mirrored character are occupied? What of the significantly increased power of the spell this creates regarding AoE spells/powers when the images are spread over multiple square? The increased power it has over blocking movement by threat of AoO? Are others allowed to move into a square occupied by only illusionary replicas? If so then what happens? If not, why not? EDIT: Ooo, I should have also included flanking created by the figments that are not in the square. We have determined that by RAW illusions can create flanks. ;) Well at least phatasm illusions can, and by extension flanks can be created by the defender's state of mind. What we are discussing right now whether flanks can be negated by the defenders state of mind. That's for starters. You have gone to a very bad place, a place occupied by facing rules and incorporating distances between 5' and 0'. Trying to unabstract the D&D combat grid. [/QUOTE]
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