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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 312948" data-attributes="member: 2011">In the case of Illusions, I think you have to use common sense in both directions because Illusions appear to be real.So, anything (flanking, threats) that is dependent on the viewer of the illusion (his actions, his options) can be instigated by an illusion. Anything that is not, should not.For example:ABCB is flanked (literal sense of the word, not game mechanic) by A and C.If A is real and C is real, flanking (game mechanic) exists for both.If A is real and C is real but Invisible, flanking exists for C, but not for A unless B is aware of C. If C has not attacked B yet and B is unaware of C, A does not get a flanking bonus. IMO. It's as if nothing is there yet. Once C attacks (say with Improved Invisibility), A gets a flanking bonus, even though B cannot see C. He is still aware that a threat exists there.If A is real and C is an illusion, flanking exists for A since B is aware of C, but unaware that it is an illusion. IMO. If B becomes aware that C is an illusion, then A loses his flanking bonus since B can totally ignore C.It matters not to me if the illusion C is from a Mirror Image (where the spell indicates that with enough images, you can have one 10 feet away in a flanking position), or something like a controlled Permanent Illusion. YMMV, but to me, this is the most common sense approach.</blockquote>