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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ouini" data-source="post: 319187" data-attributes="member: 3506">IceBear,I also think we share nearly the same view. And I can't truthfully say that if I played with rules-mongering munchkin min-maxers, I wouldn't completely disallow the tactic, soon before finding another group with which to play. In that scenerio (most scenerios), arguing with players would be as you described: more trouble than its worth.I also let believable illusions flank until they're disbelieved. And I also would put severe limitations on Mirror Image flanking if I ever allowed it, an example being your idea of images that flank then are destroyed. Or making it a difficult, concentration-based, or time-consuming action to position the images. Or on a battle-board, make the player figure out how he's going to get the images into position, with the understanding that his only control over them is that he can make one stand still or draw one towards himself. There are myriad ways to limit the implementation and make it challenging, costly, or give it the potential for disaster.Your example is a little complicated because the mage is trying to 'create' multiple flankers. I'd probably rule that the wizard would have had to spend a previous turn or two moving around the target trying to get the images into position (assuming the target stays in one spot). Then on his turn, if he had managed to get one or both images into place, and if the mage wanted to stay in his safe spot, he'd spend his action 'faux' attacking (bluffing) while concentrating to keep the images in place. If the enemy has since moved, or the mage fails one or more or his rolls, or some enemy already clobbered him or one or both of his flanker images, then one or both may not be viable flankers any more. Then the tactic could only be called a marginal victory, and would have wasted a few rounds of his time to boot.On a battle board, if the player was willing to spend time on this type of problem (maybe working out a system with me where the mage player is the only one who knows who is who), I may let serendipity rule -- if an image is in a flanking position, let the mage try to keep it there and attacking.And of course I'd take pointers and ideas from the group if they pointed out flaws, better strategems, or especially a simpler and more elegant method of implementation.Whether on this forum or in my own game, though, I try to make decisions on rules based on gaming as I would like it played. To paraphrase Larry Kramer, "If you want to live in a world where you can use rules that make sense and trust your players, then trust your players and use rules that make sense, and you will live in that world." Others out there may like less GM/player antagonistic roleplaying, too, but they may not know to try it unless they see it themselves or read of it on a board.</blockquote>

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