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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 319512" data-attributes="member: 1118"><p>Ok...just have to reiterate the point here again, I *do* come up with rulings to fill in the gaps like this. I don't want you to think that I'm a STRICT by the book, you can't do it if it's not in the rules DM. I've been DMing too long to be that restrictive, so PLEASE don't think that I am - I just get that impression from the tone of your last post, but maybe I'm mistaken. I make off-the cuff rulings every game. However, this is the OFFICAL rules forum, and if you state that mirror images can be used to flank then by the rules you only need to put a mirror image into flanking position (which is quite easy to do when you cast the spell), and this turns a spell that has always been a defensive spell into a powerful offensive spell too.</p><p></p><p>You have to ignore your current group and think about the min/maxers out there when you argue on this forum. If a rogue/wizard uses mirror image to flank in one fight and it is a successful tactic, don't you think he will try to do in every fight possible? Seriously, it's human nature to use every advantage to win so I know that the player will try it. Then you *will* have to come up with a house rule (I consider anything that comes up in every adventure - as opposed to a one time case ruling like the original attempt to flank might have been - a house rule) in order to keep it from being abused. Again, you might have players that won't take an inch and try to turn it into a mile (I know mine don't with polymorph), but you do have to consider those players when you make a ruling on the RULES forum. It's because of this (and the historical precedent on this spell) that I look at the rules and decide not to allow the mirror images to flank.</p><p></p><p>There are some rules (like why does a dragon only get a 5ft step, why can't a wizard scribe a cure spell from a bard, why are certain stats used by some spellcasters and not others, etc) that don't really make a lot of sense and if a player wanted to argue them there wouldn't be much to counter with other than GAME BALANCE. There comes a point that a ruling might make sense, but if it destroys game balance then it's a bad ruling. In *general* (maybe not in your group or mine, but in general) that's what would happen if mirror image was allowed to set up flanking.</p><p></p><p>IceBear</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 319512, member: 1118"] Ok...just have to reiterate the point here again, I *do* come up with rulings to fill in the gaps like this. I don't want you to think that I'm a STRICT by the book, you can't do it if it's not in the rules DM. I've been DMing too long to be that restrictive, so PLEASE don't think that I am - I just get that impression from the tone of your last post, but maybe I'm mistaken. I make off-the cuff rulings every game. However, this is the OFFICAL rules forum, and if you state that mirror images can be used to flank then by the rules you only need to put a mirror image into flanking position (which is quite easy to do when you cast the spell), and this turns a spell that has always been a defensive spell into a powerful offensive spell too. You have to ignore your current group and think about the min/maxers out there when you argue on this forum. If a rogue/wizard uses mirror image to flank in one fight and it is a successful tactic, don't you think he will try to do in every fight possible? Seriously, it's human nature to use every advantage to win so I know that the player will try it. Then you *will* have to come up with a house rule (I consider anything that comes up in every adventure - as opposed to a one time case ruling like the original attempt to flank might have been - a house rule) in order to keep it from being abused. Again, you might have players that won't take an inch and try to turn it into a mile (I know mine don't with polymorph), but you do have to consider those players when you make a ruling on the RULES forum. It's because of this (and the historical precedent on this spell) that I look at the rules and decide not to allow the mirror images to flank. There are some rules (like why does a dragon only get a 5ft step, why can't a wizard scribe a cure spell from a bard, why are certain stats used by some spellcasters and not others, etc) that don't really make a lot of sense and if a player wanted to argue them there wouldn't be much to counter with other than GAME BALANCE. There comes a point that a ruling might make sense, but if it destroys game balance then it's a bad ruling. In *general* (maybe not in your group or mine, but in general) that's what would happen if mirror image was allowed to set up flanking. IceBear [/QUOTE]
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