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Can monks use flurry with grappling?
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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1218667" data-attributes="member: 284"><p></p><p> </p><p>Technically, no. Grapple checks are not attack rolls. (They are an opposed check, not an attack roll.)</p><p> </p><p>Many DM's house rule that monk can flurry while grappling and apply any flurry penalties to his grapple attempts. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>The initial touch attack for a grapple doesn't do any damage, so a critical would be irrelevent (except in the rare case of needing a natural 20 to hit their touch AC).</p><p> </p><p>Grapple checks are not attack rolls, so the power attack penalty would not apply. (They are "like" and attack roll in that they use your BAB, but are opposed checks and use different modifiers for size. Since they aren't attack rolls, you can't critical on them.)</p><p> </p><p>Grapple damage is not actually unarmed attack damage, it just does damage "as if" with an unarmed attack. Thus the power attack damage bonus doesn't apply to it either. (Note that weapon specialization makes this distinction: You can specialize with grapples or with unarmed attacks.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 1218667, member: 284"] [b][/b] Technically, no. Grapple checks are not attack rolls. (They are an opposed check, not an attack roll.) Many DM's house rule that monk can flurry while grappling and apply any flurry penalties to his grapple attempts. [b][/b] The initial touch attack for a grapple doesn't do any damage, so a critical would be irrelevent (except in the rare case of needing a natural 20 to hit their touch AC). Grapple checks are not attack rolls, so the power attack penalty would not apply. (They are "like" and attack roll in that they use your BAB, but are opposed checks and use different modifiers for size. Since they aren't attack rolls, you can't critical on them.) Grapple damage is not actually unarmed attack damage, it just does damage "as if" with an unarmed attack. Thus the power attack damage bonus doesn't apply to it either. (Note that weapon specialization makes this distinction: You can specialize with grapples or with unarmed attacks.) [/QUOTE]
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