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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6290358" data-attributes="member: 87792">The part where the primary goal of combat isn't to kill the other side but to stay alive.&nbsp; Therefore in any known martial art parrying and dodging is correlated with skill far more than it is with raw talent.&nbsp; As there is precisely one edition of D&amp;D where characters get harder to hit as a function of skill (and level) parrying and dodging must feed into hit points in all other editions including 3rd - or we are dealing with characters who do not think remotely like humans.Parrying and dodging is therefore a function of hit points because it is essential that it is there and that's the only factor that fits.&nbsp; Or our people simply don't parry.&nbsp; At this point hit points can not be damage points.&nbsp; So the entire objective nature collapses like a heap of cards when a successfully parried blow does hit point damage.And this is why games attempting to be objective invariably fail somewhere.&nbsp; They are written by people who aren't experts in everything the game is trying to model - and will always miss something important out.All else being equal - it pretty much never is.&nbsp; And 20% depends on the target.&nbsp;That's because the rules reflect the game world not the other way round.&nbsp; They will also get that skilled = able to parry well.&nbsp; Because that's one of the key functions of skill.&nbsp; And the rules reflect the game world.&nbsp; Their attempts at matching the game's model will then fall apart because they will work on actual chances to hit - and due to the simplifications made by editions of D&amp;D other than 4th being harder to hit because you are better at parrying and dodging comes under the heading of hit points.&nbsp;You've never seen samurai laminated armour?&nbsp; As for working into armour, you take the scale or lorica segmentem aproach.&nbsp; You don't work it much at all.&nbsp;Why can't you cut it?&nbsp; It just takes patience and/or magic.The main one being the Tarrasque is an individual creature, and the second being that it might regenerate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6290358, member: 87792"] The part where the primary goal of combat isn't to kill the other side but to [I]stay alive[/I]. Therefore in any known martial art parrying and dodging is correlated with [I]skill[/I] far more than it is with raw talent. As there is precisely one edition of D&D where characters get harder to hit as a function of skill (and level) parrying and dodging must feed into [I]hit points[/I] in all other editions including 3rd - or we are dealing with characters who do not think remotely like humans. Parrying and dodging is therefore a function of hit points because it is essential that it is there and that's the only factor that fits. Or our people simply don't parry. At this point hit points [I]can not[/I] be damage points. So the entire objective nature collapses like a heap of cards when a successfully parried blow does hit point damage. And this is why games attempting to be objective invariably fail somewhere. They are written by people who aren't experts in everything the game is trying to model - and will [I]always[/I] miss something important out. All else being equal - it pretty much never is. And 20% depends on the target. That's because the rules reflect the game world not the other way round. They will also get that skilled = able to parry well. Because that's one of the key functions of skill. And the rules reflect the game world. Their attempts at matching the game's model will then fall apart because they will work on actual chances to hit - and due to the simplifications made by editions of D&D other than 4th being harder to hit because you are better at parrying and dodging comes under the heading of hit points. You've never seen samurai laminated armour? As for working into armour, you take the scale or lorica segmentem aproach. You don't work it much at all. Why can't you cut it? It just takes patience and/or magic. The main one being the Tarrasque is an individual creature, and the second being that it might regenerate. [/QUOTE]

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